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Found 17 results

  1. fm2176

    Blinded by Brand Loyalty

    Before I begin, let me recognize the fact that many of us here and on similar forums are somewhat receptive to owning tools from different brands, being capable of recognizing that the "best" isn't always proprietary to a favored tool brand. Also, though this thread will naturally concern tools in general and power tools in particular, a representative example of how close-minded some people are can be had in the endless debates on which truck brand is best. Ford guys stick to Ford, GM to GM, Dodge to Dodge (or Ram to Ram I guess nowadays), etc. So, how many of you have met someone so blinded by loyalty to a certain brand that they refuse to acknowledge that sometimes that brand comes up short? Such consumers sometimes waste tons of money on products that receive poor reviews or that are inferior to offerings by competing brands (sometimes even at lower cost), yet become rabidly defensive when confronted with facts or differing opinions. In this thread I'll share my thoughts on a few of these types of individuals as well as their potential motivations for staying loyal to their preferred brand at all costs. First, a couple of valid (IMHO) reasons: 1) Wanting to restrict the number of cordless tool platforms: cordless tools take batteries which can be quite expensive and which usually require separate chargers between brands and/or voltages. Even if a tool company doesn't offer the absolute best tool for the job, necessity sometimes dictates that a slightly inferior tool is purchased for the sake of battery compatibility. For example, a company that runs M18 tools might not desire to buy DeWalt nailers, even though they seem to perform better than Milwaukee's current offerings, since doing so would incur additional costs to buy and maintain batteries for those. Another example might be considering whether or not to buy a FlexVolt circular saw when one already has 20v Max. Sure the FV battery can be used with existing 20v Max tools, but the reverse isn't true, making the jump into the new system pricey if only one tool is to be purchased. 2) Availability: the availability of tool brands is subject to a person's location. In some areas, one brand may be easy to obtain while another may be impossible to find locally. Add in factors such as authorized repair centers and other customer service aspects of ownerships and use, and the effect that a brand's availability has on loyalty is evident. While home improvement centers have made common tool brands readily available in most areas, they have also limited that same availability to an extent. Consider Home Depot's two proprietary brands, Ryobi and Ridgid. Both have a loyal customer base that swears by the tools, with the former appealing more toward novices with some definite professional use and the latter sometimes considered an underrated brand that competes with premium brands. Both are only available at Home Depot, however, limiting owners of said brands to shopping there in person or online. This has the opposite effect of limiting those brands' appeal to tool users who might otherwise be interested. As a Milwaukee owner, should I buy the fan that my local hardware store carries and have instant gratification? Or should I order a Ridgid version, wait for it to be shipped, and have to use the internet if I have any issues with it? I had the opportunity to expand into Metabo tools for cheap a couple of years ago, but passed on it as I knew that I'd be unable to find additional tools and accessories locally once the supply ran out. Now, on to some less logical reasons: 1) Country of origin (COO): let's face it, few tools, and fewer power tools are domestically manufactured anymore. Yet some people may point towards COO as a reason to only buy one brand while ignoring another. I have a large number of DeWalt tools and often point out that some are assembled in the US. I usually add the fact that some others are made in Mexico but most are of Chinese origin. Why? Because I'm misinforming people who are less familiar with tools if I imply that DeWalt produces all of their tools here in America. I've read comments around the internet from people slamming Milwaukee because of its parent company while praising DeWalt for supporting the local economy. Some people even confuse a brand's name with its COO; I'm sure some of you have met a person who though Milwaukee tools were made in Wisconsin. The same holds true for Bosch (German), Makita (Japan), and other brands whose names denote the country they were originally founded in. For better or worst, the majority of power tools are sourced from mainland Asia now, regardless of whether the name sounds American, German, Japanese, or Ethiopian. 2) Tenuous claims: most companies market their tools as being superior to other brands, often using data that is skewed to put them in the best light. Some people fall victim to this tactic, considering x brand to just be better than y brand because the packaging says so. Amusingly, these same people are quick to call foul when another brand claims to offer something "their" brand doesn't. Since I've mainly covered brands that most of us recognize as solid performers, I'll pick on the perennial whipping boy of tool retailers: Harbor Freight. Harbor Freight seems to rely a lot on having the best prices, often coupled with deep discounts making good deals absolute bargains. In turn, they gain a lot of loyal fans who stop there before even considering another retailer, since they just assume that no one can beat them. This tactic has doubtlessly led to decent sales on their newest cordless tools despite the fact that more tried offerings from the likes of DeWalt and Milwaukee can be had at little, if any, more cost. I can't name how many times I've heard someone lavishing praise on Harbor Freight while dismissing the very thought of paying a little more for a lot more quality. Deceptive ads comparing tools and accessories to name brands costing much more leads people to believe that they are getting more for their money. In some cases, yes. In many, no. 3) "'Cause I said so": this is akin to the truck brand argument touched upon in the opening paragraph. Some people just allow their experience and pigheadedness to make them oblivious to reality. I have owned DeWalt and have had no problems with their cordless tools. I also own Milwaukee (albeit much fewer tools) but have an issue with the trigger on an impact wrench. Should I sell my red tools and badmouth the brand as producing substandard garbage? Of course not. Should I place both my yellow and red tools on a pedestal and declare them vastly superior to all tools because they are mine? No, most major tool brands, even lesser tiered ones such as Porter Cable and Ryobi, offer exceptional value to customers, and no amount of he said, she said will change that. In other words, let our experiences enlighten us, but we should never refrain from trying out something different if we need to. 4) "It's the best, why buy less?": this can sometimes be justified by the want or need to restrict platforms, but if we find ourselves buying a $300 tool for a one-off project because it is red, when a green one can be had with battery and charger for half the price, we might be drinking too much Kool-Aid. This is the most subjective entry on this list as it really does depend on a number of variables, but it could be viewed as compromising versus not doing so. Brand loyalty sometimes finds us choosing a certain tool not because it is truly needed but because it is the best compromise (even if it is overkill) and it's offered in our favorite color. If I need to drill a few holes in masonry but lack a hammer drill, do I buy the M18 Fuel SDS-Plus, or consider the much less expensive Ryobi? If I'm going to use it more than once, maybe. If I'm not even certain I'll keep it afterward, why waste the money? Ultimately, we decide what is worth spending our hard earned money on. Brand loyalty can be advantageous to our bank accounts but it can also drain them. In a similar manner it can make us appear to be snobs, or worse fools, especially when two hardheaded people with different opinions start arguing over whose tools are better. I guess it's all part of the joy in having so many options available, though; maybe it's me who is the fool writing such a lengthy post about this.
  2. rdouglasc

    Milwaukee Drill Brake Noise

    Hello, I'm new here and new to woodworking. I purchased a Milwaukee 2606 22ct compact drill yesterday. Out of the box, the drill brake makes a ratcheting noise. I know other drills stop silently. Is this unique to Milwaukee or is there a problem with the drill? Thanks, Doug
  3. Hey, what's up! My experience with tools is limited and I recently got a job in the tool department at a retail store. My aim in coming here is to learn while off the job so that I'm a little more fluid in performing my duties on the job. I've been helping more people than I hurt (maybe it's 50/50) while on the clock, but it's still the case where if I had taken care to ask small questions sooner I'd be performing better and be more satisfied with my work. Just wanted to make a first post. I know it's a bare introduction, but I wanted to be honest about my motivation. I look forward to getting to know this place.
  4. Tool nut

    I need your thoughts

    Hey guys, im new to the forum and I wanted to bring forth a question that does not really have a right or wrong answer but more or less just some insight and suggestion on the situation. So here goes. I just recently purchased a four piece milwaukee set for work. I love it but it will stay at work. Now i got it bacause i travel a bit (road work in state) and it is much easier to carry one charger. I had to streamline i just decided to pick milwaukee because there was an incredible deal i could not pass up. Im not a brand nerd but it had to be done simply for time and space. Now here is the situation im in. I have a hodge podge of tools at work and at home. They are dewalt 18v nicd set, drill and compact 1/2 impact, and grease gun that is brand new (one tube of grese thru it). I also have the bosch drill and hex driver combo which the drill is less than a year old and they both work great. That is just at work. Now at home I have the big nicd 18v dewalt 1/2 impact, a small 8v dewalt gyroscope screwdriver, and older 18v makita lion brushed drill. And last but not least a 20v black&decker drill mainly used in the house for hanging pictures and stuff. What i would like to do is some what condense closer to a single brand or two at most for my house. Note: i have a lawn mower repair shop in my back yard so time and space are also a factor im looking for. What should i do? Sell them all and start over? Keep one brand and expand it? I really like my bosch set but their selection is not that great. I have had good experience with the dewalt stuff but the batteries are outdated bad. I thank you in advance for any advice you may have and please feel free to share any experience you have had and what you ultimately did. Thanks guys
  5. ann stella

    cut metal roofing

    What tool should I use to cut metal roofing? want a only power tool.
  6. Blake Barnes

    DeWalt Power Planer leaving streaks

    I'm trying to plane a board and I don't have access to a super wide, industrial planer so I'm trying to use my 3" wide, DeWalt power planer to get out all the humps. But every time I plane across the whole thing it makes these little streaks from the edge of the blade. Is this normal? Should I just get a belt sander to smooth them out or is there a particular planing pattern that I need to follow to help prevent these streaks? See attached file. (the wood is white oak).
  7. I have a DEWALT Portable Hand Planer (D26676) and I can't seem to find a dust collection bag that fits the this tool. It's not just a regular circle so I can't just use some adapter that would fit it. Does anyone have a solution to this?
  8. jon burgess

    my grandfather tools

    Please do not post any of your old tools this is used for you to see what my grandfather used when he was in the field
  9. jon burgess

    how old

    how old is power house jigsaw model 73120 is does say mcgraw and edison next to the model number
  10. I am trying to figure out which power tool brand I should get. The four i have to decide between are Dewalt, Milwalkee, Bosch, and Ridgid. If I am trying to get into professional contracting business which tool brand should i start out by getting? Which one would be the best for a home owner and for a professional contractor?
  11. lunt0615

    Anyone know Truco?

    I've come across a Stone Saw from Truco Mason Drilling Division, and I need to see if anyone has any details. The model number has been worn off, but I have a partial Serial Number (6720*, the * is because there's something there, but it's too worn to see). It runs on a track, and has a stainless steel housing (pictures coming soon). If this saw is worth the money, I need parts to get it back up and running (it's smoking a fair amount). Any replies with details would be greatly appreciated!
  12. jon burgess

    reciprocating saw battery or corded

    i am looking to buy a reciprocating saw for demolition a outside deck. should i get one the has a battery or one that has a cord? (THE BRAND DOES NOT MATTER TO ME)
  13. Hello, I am new here. I made my account especially for this because I am in a great dilema. I received great offers for these 2 beasts. They are around the same price but that does not matter. I am a truck mechanic, so I need powerful, reliable, long-lasting cordless impact wrench. And these are the two I found at a really good price. So, other alternatives are completely excluded. I saw some guy on youtube that has had Milwaukee HD18HIW 610nm torque / 3 Ah battery (I am not talking about FUEL) for about 2 years and used it heavily and had no problem. So, this would have been much choice. Until I found about Bosch's beast, that it has slightly higher torque figures 650NM and 4Ah battery. Theoretically, Bosch would be the winner as it has bigger battery and more torque, but I do not know anything about durability, about its practical power. This is all I am interested in: power and durability, That's all. I would use it mostly for undoing screws. Ok, so that's what I am looking for. Can anyone give me any suggestions? P.S: I have Bosch's GDS 18 and GDS 24 powered by cable and I am really not impressed with them. GDS18 is alright, but GDS24 compared to my Makita TW1000 is piece of cake. Milwaukee HD18SIW-32X - 3Ah battery No load speed: 0-1900 rpmTool reception: 1/2"SDImpact rate: 0-2200 ipmMax.torque: 610NmWeight with battery pack: 3.0kgBosch GDS 18 V-LI HT - 4Ah battery No-load speed 0 – 1.900 rpm Weight incl. battery 3,0 kg Torque, max. (hard screwdriving applications) 650 Nm Rated impact rate 0 – 2.100 bpm Battery voltage 18 V Toolholder 1/2" external square
  14. Highdesert Splintermaker

    Addicted to Tool Ads

    I’m continually and eagerly looking forward to each and every tool ad I can get my hands on - mostly to see if someone, anyone, has come out with a really great new and exciting tool. Maybe some fledgling start-up company with a clever idea has just found the money to do some serious advertising. Maybe there is a 50% sale on that 13½” helical planer I don’t want to pay $550 for. Okay, that last ‘maybe’ might be a bit surreal, but anyway, I keep looking. Through manufacturers’ brochures, magazine ads, and the Sunday News ads, and online - I keep looking. But, what do I find? Cordless drill kits, cordless drill kits with extra batteries, cordless drill kits with extra batteries and a flashlight, cordless drill kits with extra batteries and a cordless impact driver, cordless drill kits with extra batteries and a cordless circular saw, and on, and on, ad infinitum (no pun intended). I think you get the idea but the amount of newsprint dedicated weekly to cordless drill ads (which by the way seems to be far more voluminous than all the ads for all other tools combined) boggles my mind. How many cordless drills, regardless of what comes bundled with it, can you possible want, find room to store and, even if you could remember where you put them all - can a person possibly justify? Perhaps I’m limiting myself by thinking I couldn’t possible need to use more than two at the same time and really only one at any particular point in time. So, do I have to give away the one I bought last week to make room for a new one this week? Can I possibly find one that uses the same battery, or charger as one I already have? And if I do and I buy it, will I then be able to stop reading cordless drill ads? All the while, I know these cordless drill ads will persist, yet I still keep eagerly looking forward to getting my hands on the next tool ad hoping to find that great new and exciting tool idea or 50% off on that helical planer. Addicted.
  15. Here is the 1933 Craftsman Power Tool Catalog. This is the 5th production year for Craftsman Power Tools 1933 Craftsman Power Tools.pdf
  16. newcontractor

    What tools to own

    I am starting to work with my dad. He runs his own HVAC business in Georgia. I have to start investing in tools and not sure where to start. I know what hand tools I want, but not what power tools. I am trying to see what other guys use, but it is just such a wide range as they have built their line up over years. My dad is just set in his ways and still uses older tools. I want the best tools for the money, which I am sure everyone does. I really want to stick with one brand because i don't want to have a lot of different batteries. I heard the Lithium batteries have a hard time in the cold. I am in the south, so i am not worried about that. Any thoughts or help.
  17. Hi everyone, My name is Rebeka, and I am currently conducting feasability research on new power tool projects. I would like to know if anyone has any suggested issues with the following products and what those issues are, also if you have any solutions: Light tower Chipper shredder air compressor long run fuel tank 540 rpm power take off drive shaft Rage 3 saw I would really appreciate any information on the above projects. Thankyou for your time and help. Rebeka
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