Bremon Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 I'd wait until we get some real specs from Milwaukee and a press release/demo. It's about the same power as a compact drill, but more compact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffmcmillan Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 4 hours ago, HiltiWpg said: I am just a lowly electrician, can someone please explain why the hell this is appealing? 450 in-lbs? Where would such low torque be a good thing? I see the the DTD170z and that makes sense to me, but oil impulse reasoning eludes me... 4 hours ago, Stercorarius said: Agree with @HiltiWpg. If I needed quiet I'd use my drill Driver same as I always use to. Best as I can tell this is halfway between a drill driver and an impact with the power of neither. The torque is important for breaking away bolts. The impact energy is important for screws in wood or sheet metal and no one lists that. It's a little bit higher for impulse drivers than impact drivers which is compensated for by fewer impacts per minute do the output power of an impact driver and impulse driver is in the same ballpark. If youre breaking bolts you really need an impact wrench, but for screws the impulse driver is about the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiltiWpg Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 The overall torque is lower. Torque is the measure of rotational power. Whether it's lower IPM and higher Impact force or Higher with lower force, the torque is the output. Regardless of what is happening inside, the ability to fasten or loosen is lower. 450 In-lbs is not anywhere near the same as 1400+ in-lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kornomaniac Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 37 minutes ago, HiltiWpg said: The overall torque is lower. Torque is the measure of rotational power. Whether it's lower IPM and higher Impact force or Higher with lower force, the torque is the output. Regardless of what is happening inside, the ability to fasten or loosen is lower. 450 In-lbs is not anywhere near the same as 1400+ in-lbs. With impacr drivers / drill drivers i'd say you're correct. But there is something going on with these impulse drivers. Makita's oil impulse drivers also only hjad low torque like the milwaukee surge but it still does pretty much everything my DTD148 does. I cannot explain why but the Torque as it stands on impulse drivers cannot be compared to impact drivers. I know it sounds like bullcrap or something but untill you have tried it you cannot make up your mind about it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrippedScrew Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 2 hours ago, HiltiWpg said: Except at 450in-lbs, it's not as functional. It's essentially turning an impact into a 1/4 drill driver, which already exists. Most drivers are clutched giving them more control over torque than a 3 speed. Like me I said, I don't get it. If acoustics are an issue, there are solutions that seem just as viable. The compactness of an impact is a plus though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stercorarius Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 As a guy who has spent too much time running and repairing hydraulic based equipment I have a hard time trusting the build on these early model machines to have any sort of longevity. Im guessing that maybe they'll last three years before the DOT 3 brake fluid they put in these leaks or destroys the internals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regopit Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 I feel like it is just another way to sell more tools. It is not like there was a large outcry for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboS1ice Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 The other specs look normal for an impulse driver, but 4000 impacts per minute is really high for an impulse driver. The Makita lists 2700, Ryobi lists 2200, and Ridgid doesn't say so you know it's badRidgid is weird with some of their ratings, it's actually not a bad driver over sheared quite a few bolts being careless with it, just heavy and bulky JimboSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kornomaniac Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 15 hours ago, Stercorarius said: As a guy who has spent too much time running and repairing hydraulic based equipment I have a hard time trusting the build on these early model machines to have any sort of longevity. Im guessing that maybe they'll last three years before the DOT 3 brake fluid they put in these leaks or destroys the internals. Makita's first Oil impulse drivers I have been selling for 6 years now and never got a return on them I'd like to say they're as duarable as a normal impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisK Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Korno. You are wrong. Right there Milwaukee says..... MILWAUKEE SURGE FEATURES Fluid-drive hydraulic power train Powerstate brushless motor “outperforms all leading competitors” 4-mode drive control Self-tapping screw mode for reduced walking and reduced overdriving 0-3,000 RPM 450 in-lbs max torque LED worklight Clearly Milwaukee smokes Makita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffmcmillan Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 But does the motor outperform non-leading competitors too? Or is that in quotes because its the trademarked slogan for their motors? Friggin marketing buzzwords. Next they'll tell me its arsenic free. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fazmanicg Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 http://toolguyd.com/milwaukee-m18-fuel-surge-oil-impact-driver/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiltiWpg Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 But does the motor outperform non-leading competitors too? Or is that in quotes because its the trademarked slogan for their motors? Friggin marketing buzzwords. Next they'll tell me its arsenic free.Organic free range gluten free impact.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kruton Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 Organic free range gluten free impact.Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI'm more of a vegan impact guy myself![emoji16] [emoji90] Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboS1ice Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 I'm more of a vegan impact guy myself![emoji16] [emoji90] Sent from my SM-N900V using TapatalkMeh I drink shots of gluten for breakfast! JimboSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kruton Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 Meh I drink shots of gluten for breakfast! JimboSent from my iPhone using TapatalkAnd if you ain't cooking with lard you are wasting your time baby!Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnarlyCarl Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 8 hours ago, ChrisK said: Korno. You are wrong. Right there Milwaukee says..... MILWAUKEE SURGE FEATURES Fluid-drive hydraulic power train Powerstate brushless motor “outperforms all leading competitors” 4-mode drive control Self-tapping screw mode for reduced walking and reduced overdriving 0-3,000 RPM 450 in-lbs max torque LED worklight Clearly Milwaukee smokes Makita Way to go, now I'll never know who to trust lol Trust me, I take this with a grain of salt 1 minute ago, kruton said: And if you ain't cooking with lard you are wasting your time baby! Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk Mmmm good pie crust that way 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Julian Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 So this makes me curious if there are other tools about to hit the market that weren't announced at the symposium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremon Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 They usually have random things come out here and there throughout the year that aren't highlighted at the symposium. The compact brushless drill/ hammer drill/ impact are examples of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffmcmillan Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 The symposiun is really about the flashy products they want to get media coverage from (and not bad press like the nailers) sds max, miter saw, one key. They want to make people switch to milwaukee and not away from it for the upcoming stuff. Notice a lot of the things they announce dont hit the market for months or years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremon Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 That's a good point Jeff and I agree. It's the stuff that other makes don't really make, and halo products that get the most attention. Those nailers though, sheesh. You know it's bad when tool reviewers who get them for free aren't impressed. Dewalt has Milwaukee, Dwain and Hugh Jass to thank for me buying a Dewalt nailer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnarlyCarl Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Aaaannndd HD took it down lol... Looks like another woopsy website going live before it's supposed to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremon Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Stupid HD. I want DS130s and maybe a 450 lol. Somewhat interested in seeing performance of this unit as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR99 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 1 hour ago, KnarlyCarl said: Aaaannndd HD took it down lol... Looks like another woopsy website going live before it's supposed to be Took HD that long to take it down wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh942 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 This video is about the makita DTD141 oil impulse driver. The guy in the video mentions the low rating for torque and that its to do with how its measured and that a hydraulic motor is slightly different. I'm not exactly sure but its interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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