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@Framer joe if you are talking flexvolt tools that perform towards the bottom of the list then there is really only the recip and gen 1 flexvolt blower. Power wise every flexvolt tool I have used has been great. Feature wise they were nothing special but they got the job done without throwing a fit. I have seen a couple flexvolt tools lose in videos to other tools but who knows how fair the tests were. I personally haven't had a flexvolt tool go bad but I have had 2 of the 2/6 batteries and one gen 1 fast charger if that counts. Do you think the new 40v SkillSaw wormdrive has a chance to compete with the DCS577? From what I have seen it is basically a tried and true mag 77 with a battery and an updated motor. 

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Naaa... Not as clear cut as you stated... That's been your experience, doesn't mean it's everybody's.

I had a boat load of dewalt tools, but burned 5 dewalt cordless impacts up on one job of erecting metal buildings. There were roughly a year to a year and a half old. 5 on one job.. Now I have fewer dewalt tools but since have had better luck with Milwaukee and that's been my main brand now.

No tool manufacturer is perfect no doubt, but not every one has the same luck (if that's what you wanna call it) either. Time is money and dewalt began to cost me time and money, made the switch and for the most part glad I did.

While I agree about the comment about the MX line not being necessary for framing or remodeling (for the most part) I'll certainly be picking up the power supply at some point in the future.

Also glad to see progress in all cordless tools whether it be Dewalt, Milwaukee or whoever!

 

 

 

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Wondering when we will see DeWalts response to this line up. Everything looks so bulky on the MX platform 😕 regardless of whether it is lighter and more powerful, ergonomics play an even bigger part imo.

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On 11/7/2019 at 11:06 PM, Jronman said:

It is nice and all but another battery platform from the company who said would use one battery for all your tools. Milwaukee  said they wouldn't need higher voltage or tools powered by two batteries. 

 

m18/m12 battery chargers.

Gotta admit that these tools are in a class way above the average ones company's are producing today.  Way more substantial power and tool design/uses.  Not for your average contractor small business and I'm fine with that, Milwaukee is obviously tapping into market share absent of this type of cordless innovation.  Others will follow but they will likely have the advantage for quite some time and I doubt they did this on a whim.  Market research probably identified this gap and the desire so they pursued it and I give them credit for that.

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@reddawg60...erecting metal buildings using a impact? Dude, we have tons of steel in our custom homes and no one is using compact impacts..impact wrenches are for Hd work. A compact impact { driver, as it’s called} is not used for that..it’s intended for screws and small diameter , short, lags, truss loks, timber locks,etc...try using the correct tool for the job..

 ....you must be part of the vcg gang...Milwaukee is a joke for framing...you should be using All impact wrenches...

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Hmmm wonder why the Milwaukees held up then... Smh.
These were storage type buildings, lighter weight metal... I'm plenty aware of which tools to use when, but hey thanks for your all knowing wisdom.. Dime a dozen!!
vcg guys... Na, I watch many different reviews on a tool (s) I'm may be interested in.

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2 hours ago, Framer joe said:

@reddawg60...erecting metal buildings using a impact? Dude, we have tons of steel in our custom homes and no one is using compact impacts..impact wrenches are for Hd work. A compact impact { driver, as it’s called} is not used for that..it’s intended for screws and small diameter , short, lags, truss loks, timber locks,etc...try using the correct tool for the job..

 ....you must be part of the vcg gang...Milwaukee is a joke for framing...you should be using All impact wrenches...

Would a metal fastening screw driver be a better option or are we talking more of a lag bolt type fastener?

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 ....you must be part of the vcg gang...Milwaukee is a joke for framing...you should be using All impact wrenches...




LOL!

Does VCG actually build anything?


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Would a metal fastening screw driver be a better option or are we talking more of a lag bolt type fastener?


I think he means a drill/driver. Dewalt, Metabo, and Makita target the builder market. Hands down if you are working in wood they are the go tos for tools. Usually the top tool ends up Dewalt or sometimes Makita. In some tools like a corded grinder Dewalt beats out Milwaukee.

But as an overall tool line Milwaukee is more of specialists tools. They have a lot more tools specifically for plumbers, electricians, and mechanics. Most of my wood working tools are Dewalt or Metabo but those stay at home. No space on the van for all of it. I load them only when needed.

The M12 stubby impact will work on a lag bolt but it’s meant for automotive mechanics. It’s light but I don’t see much point on a builder site when I would be drilling almost as much as shooting screws and tightening nuts and bolts, and cramped space is usually not a factor like working under the hood. The 1400 foot pound impact will probably tighten a lag bolt too without snapping it off and stripping out sheet metal screws instantly if you turn it way down but we use it for fasteners over 3/4”. And the M18 Fuel drill/driver is slower than the Dewalt on high speed for driving screws but if you’re not careful in metal on low speed in drilling metal and it grabs it can easily bruise or break your wrist just like the old D handle drills.

When Milwaukee made the M18 comment they already had experience with the M28 line that they’ve all but abandoned. This was when we had the Kobalt 24 V stuff, Dewalt sells “20V” and came out with Flexvolt. We have seen this before when we moved from 12 V NiCd to 14.4 V NiMh then to 18 V Li
Ion. This was Milwaukee saying there was no technical advantage to higher voltages on a brushless Li ion platform right when Dewalt was claiming the advantages of 60 V tools over 18/20 V. So they avoided doing yet another battery line. At some point way beyond drills and impacts you run into limitations in higher currents and higher voltages just make sense. That’s why large trucks have 24 V battery systems and power companies use thousands of volts on power lines.

The MX line is something really new. It isn’t impact guns. It’s kind of an area where Hilti has a few products but right now most of those types of tools are either corded, hosed, or gas engines. If it works out for them in 10 years it will be like drill/drivers today where the market is dominated by cordless. But the big thing is most of those tools are rented and time will tell whether the rental companies are willing to invest or not, or can get a premium on renting them. It looks like Milwaukee is making products that can do things the others can’t. Like a light plant that fits on a dolly instead of a tow behind or a core drill you can safely use on a ladder instead of putting up scaffolding. These are different products, not
“me toos”. This opens up new markets so it’s not just a substitute. My prediction is like any truly new product demand will be slow at first then either fizzles out or takes off. In today’s instant gratification works though Milwaukee staff need a lot of patience. They need to market to a different crowd and they have to realize that if I’m say a tool rental company I’m taking a big risk on a new product that may have little interest in the higher rental fee, and on whether Milwaukee will fold up shop and skip town in a year if they don’t like how things go.

When SBD comes out with the Dewalt light plant or buys up Hilti, we will know it’s successful. Right now they are too busy putting out red rebranded Chinese tools.

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8 hours ago, paulengr said:

When SBD comes out with the Dewalt light plant or buys up Hilti, we will know it’s successful. Right now they are too busy putting out red rebranded Chinese tools.

 

I think we just had to get past the initial Craftsman launch. I think the hype is starting to die down and DeWALT is starting to pick up. We saw some new stuff at STAFFDA and I imagine we will see more at World of Concrete.

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