Edge Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 Happened to stop buy my local "Woodcraft" store today here in Hawaii for some supplies...Lo and behold the New 20V Max tools and hand tools were on display, also present was a Dewalt rep, which was kinda weird as I knew more about the new tools then him, thanks to D.O.G!!. Gotta tell Ya,First Impressions,They look GOOD! VERY well made, but they feel / balance even better! They feel a little lighter too, especially the new Hammer when compared with my DCD 970 Pod Lithium. also think tool for tool weight spec's is dead on with Makita now. The Impact's are super compact, even shorter than my 12V Max Impact. But the tool that really blew me away was the 20V Max SDS Rotary Hammer, that thing is just killer center balanced,drills like buttah! with one hand, perfect for overhead task. Hand Hammer was pretty cool, really light and well made, 25' tape rule is exactly like the Bostich just with Dewalt badging. All in all Dewalt really did there homework with these 20V Max line and hand tools and if you know tools, you can really tell they did. I came away very impressed. NOW Just gotta wait till late Sept. to get some of these Baby's!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjones Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 The Impact's are super compact, even shorter than my 12V Max Impact. But the tool that really blew me away was the 20V Max SDS Rotary Hammer, that thing is just killer center balanced,drills like buttah! with one hand, perfect for overhead task. The impact driver is KILLER!!! It drives your typical screws so fast, you won't believe it! I got my demo kit a couple of weeks back, and while helping some friends hang french doors, I put in my first 3.5in screw with the impact, turned around, and lit up like a little school boy on Christmas break! The sds hammer is pretty awesome as well! These should be pretty fun when they come out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madtec Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Damm right, but the hammer drill is a monster with the 3.0Ah battery. Now let's see what all the haters has to say when it comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucko Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 I see Amazon has a few these up for pre-order. They have a few reviews as well. Mostly positive although someone actually complained that the drill was "too much drill for me". This sounds like a good problem to have, much better than not enough to get the job done. I love my 18v stuff, but man do I want these! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTDiesel Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 I wish they'd hurry the heck up and get it on the market here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjones Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 I wish they'd hurry the heck up and get it on the market here! They are slated to ship to stores no later than Sep. 6th. Things can always happen to slow that down, but it is looking like they will ship on time or even a little early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krane Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 Darn right, but the hammer drill is a monster with the 3.0Ah battery. Now let's see what all the haters has to say when it comes out. My first thought would be about time. It looks like Dewalt is just now catching up to the competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjones Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 Darn right, but the hammer drill is a monster with the 3.0Ah battery. Now let's see what all the haters has to say when it comes out. My first thought would be about time. It looks like Dewalt is just now catching up to the competition. No, DeWALT was already the market leader (by a huge amount, FYI) with the current 18v line. The 20v line is just going to take their little bit of the cordless "pie" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 Thats cool Dewalt actually has cordless models labeled as "20v". But as far as I am concerned, their 18v line beats the other guys' 20v. If you take a high quality 18v drill versus a lower quality 20v one, the higher quality drill wins every time. For example, my friend & I were building a shed. His popular Craftsman C3 19.2v drill didnt last as long as my Dewalt 18v DCD760 compact drill (using non-compact yellow top Li-Ion batteries). The same guy has a Craftsman Professional 20v drill for 'heavy duty' work, which didnt last as long as my DCD970 either. Craftsman hand tools are good, but their power tools are.... well of course I didnt expect much from a drill made by Ryobi anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjones Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 The 20v is a 20volt MAX, which means that it has a nominal charge of 20v, but once you pull the trigger on the tool, it drops to 18v. The reason it is called 20v is to diferentiate between the current 18v line and the new 20v line. You are right, the current 18v line is still far superior to most other compititors on the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krane Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 The 20v is a 20volt MAX, which means that it has a nominal charge of 20v, but once you pull the trigger on the tool, it drops to 18v. The reason it is called 20v is to diferentiate between the current 18v line and the new 20v line. You are right, the current 18v line is still far superior to most other compititors on the market. I don't see it that way as they have modified their 18V exstensively over the past 4 years. Seems like something isn't working out correctly. Maybe the battery chemistry is to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjones Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 The 20v is a 20volt MAX, which means that it has a nominal charge of 20v, but once you pull the trigger on the tool, it drops to 18v. The reason it is called 20v is to differentiate between the current 18v line and the new 20v line. You are right, the current 18v line is still far superior to most other competitors on the market. I don't see it that way as they have modified their 18V exstensively over the past 4 years. Seems like something isn't working out correctly. Maybe the battery chemistry is to blame. There is nothing that is not "working out correctly", there is going to be an additional line. I guess i don't see what you are trying to say. That is the factual reason for calling the line "20v MAX", and that is the true explanation of 20v (simplified obviously). And the chemistry used in the current 18v line are widely known as the best on the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krane Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 The 20v is a 20volt MAX, which means that it has a nominal charge of 20v, but once you pull the trigger on the tool, it drops to 18v. The reason it is called 20v is to differentiate between the current 18v line and the new 20v line. You are right, the current 18v line is still far superior to most other competitors on the market. I don't see it that way as they have modified their 18V exstensively over the past 4 years. Seems like something isn't working out correctly. Maybe the battery chemistry is to blame. There is nothing that is not "working out correctly", there is going to be an additional line. I guess i don't see what you are trying to say. That is the factual reason for calling the line "20v MAX", and that is the true explanation of 20v (simplified obviously). And the chemistry used in the current 18v line are widely known as the best on the market. Calling it 20V Max is a bit deceiving since it is only 18V useable, but Dewalt is at least stating this in the interviews I have read. If the battery chemistry is working well with the A123 batteries then why, from what I have read, are they going to a different brand battery? Typically if something is working to be "the best" then why change it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanxrus Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 You can thank Milwaukee for the whole "max" thing.... pretty sure we beat that one to death on here. If I had to guess.... and it's only a guess, A123 has a lower Ah rating. I think in general, people would rather have a larger gas tank, than a battery with 2000 cycles. A large majority of professionals out there beat the living crap out of there batteries, and probably never reach the 1000/2000 cycle's anyway's. That being said, the economy seems to be getting worse, and not better. A123 is costly, and I would see this as a solution to remain profitable, and at the same time offer a larger gas tank. I did notice the battery warranty was increased another year on both batteries. 2years on the compact, and 3years on the full size. I personally am not thrilled about the change, only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjones Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 The 20v is a 20volt MAX, which means that it has a nominal charge of 20v, but once you pull the trigger on the tool, it drops to 18v. The reason it is called 20v is to differentiate between the current 18v line and the new 20v line. You are right, the current 18v line is still far superior to most other competitors on the market. I don't see it that way as they have modified their 18V exstensively over the past 4 years. Seems like something isn't working out correctly. Maybe the battery chemistry is to blame. There is nothing that is not "working out correctly", there is going to be an additional line. I guess i don't see what you are trying to say. That is the factual reason for calling the line "20v MAX", and that is the true explanation of 20v (simplified obviously). And the chemistry used in the current 18v line are widely known as the best on the market. Calling it 20V Max is a bit deceiving since it is only 18V useable, but Dewalt is at least stating this in the interviews I have read. If the battery chemistry is working well with the A123 batteries then why, from what I have read, are they going to a different brand battery? Typically if something is working to be "the best" then why change it? DeWALT explains the difference between nominal and running charge on all promotional material, on the box of the tool, in the owners manual, on the website... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krane Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 The 20v is a 20volt MAX, which means that it has a nominal charge of 20v, but once you pull the trigger on the tool, it drops to 18v. The reason it is called 20v is to differentiate between the current 18v line and the new 20v line. You are right, the current 18v line is still far superior to most other competitors on the market. I don't see it that way as they have modified their 18V exstensively over the past 4 years. Seems like something isn't working out correctly. Maybe the battery chemistry is to blame. There is nothing that is not "working out correctly", there is going to be an additional line. I guess i don't see what you are trying to say. That is the factual reason for calling the line "20v MAX", and that is the true explanation of 20v (simplified obviously). And the chemistry used in the current 18v line are widely known as the best on the market. Calling it 20V Max is a bit deceiving since it is only 18V useable, but Dewalt is at least stating this in the interviews I have read. If the battery chemistry is working well with the A123 batteries then why, from what I have read, are they going to a different brand battery? Typically if something is working to be "the best" then why change it? DeWALT explains the difference between nominal and running charge on all promotional material, on the box of the tool, in the owners manual, on the website... Dewalt has always used different specs to describe their tools than most of the other manufacturers. UWO instead of Torque and typically no Ah rating on batteries. This makes it very hard for a buyer to compare specs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satamax Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 The 20v is a 20volt MAX, which means that it has a nominal charge of 20v, but once you pull the trigger on the tool, it drops to 18v. The reason it is called 20v is to differentiate between the current 18v line and the new 20v line. You are right, the current 18v line is still far superior to most other competitors on the market. I don't see it that way as they have modified their 18V exstensively over the past 4 years. Seems like something isn't working out correctly. Maybe the battery chemistry is to blame. There is nothing that is not "working out correctly", there is going to be an additional line. I guess i don't see what you are trying to say. That is the factual reason for calling the line "20v MAX", and that is the true explanation of 20v (simplified obviously). And the chemistry used in the current 18v line are widely known as the best on the market. Calling it 20V Max is a bit deceiving since it is only 18V useable, but Dewalt is at least stating this in the interviews I have read. If the battery chemistry is working well with the A123 batteries then why, from what I have read, are they going to a different brand battery? Typically if something is working to be "the best" then why change it? Well, i've just switched to nano over the last tear, 18v for the cordless drills. DC950L2 DC920L2 and DC988 nano version. Got a circular saw and jigsaw in 36v. Kept my nailer, grinder as they are working with teh new nano batteries. And i think dewalt did right making the batteries interchangeable. But if the new ones are going to replace the old type and not be interchangeable. I'm just not intrested anymore. Someone stated lighter, on par with makita. But i don't want a makita competitor. Old dewalt were bouncing well, when falling of a roof, and makita don't. I think i'll run through my battery packs, 7 nano, 7 old XRP. And see what is available at the moment when it's time to replace. A lot of my friends quit using hilti because of the frequent battery change and non interchangeability. Lots of us running dewalt now. But i realy don't like the new politics of dewalt. At first, they were selling us rebranded elus. Which was fine by me. And soon, they gonna sell us rebranded black and decker crap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burlguy Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 The 20v is a 20volt MAX, which means that it has a nominal charge of 20v, but once you pull the trigger on the tool, it drops to 18v. The reason it is called 20v is to differentiate between the current 18v line and the new 20v line. You are right, the current 18v line is still far superior to most other competitors on the market. I don't see it that way as they have modified their 18V exstensively over the past 4 years. Seems like something isn't working out correctly. Maybe the battery chemistry is to blame. There is nothing that is not "working out correctly", there is going to be an additional line. I guess i don't see what you are trying to say. That is the factual reason for calling the line "20v MAX", and that is the true explanation of 20v (simplified obviously). And the chemistry used in the current 18v line are widely known as the best on the market. Calling it 20V Max is a bit deceiving since it is only 18V useable, but Dewalt is at least stating this in the interviews I have read. If the battery chemistry is working well with the A123 batteries then why, from what I have read, are they going to a different brand battery? Typically if something is working to be "the best" then why change it? Well, i've just switched to nano over the last tear, 18v for the cordless drills. DC950L2 DC920L2 and DC988 nano version. Got a circular saw and jigsaw in 36v. Kept my nailer, grinder as they are working with teh new nano batteries. And i think dewalt did right making the batteries interchangeable. But if the new ones are going to replace the old type and not be interchangeable. I'm just not intrested anymore. Someone stated lighter, on par with makita. But i don't want a makita competitor. Old dewalt were bouncing well, when falling of a roof, and makita don't. I think i'll run through my battery packs, 7 nano, 7 old XRP. And see what is available at the moment when it's time to replace. A lot of my friends quit using hilti because of the frequent battery change and non interchangeability. Lots of us running dewalt now. But i realy don't like the new politics of dewalt. At first, they were selling us rebranded elus. Which was fine by me. And soon, they gonna sell us rebranded black and decker crap! Yeah but at least it will be Yellow and Black instead of black and red... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjones Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 The 20v is a 20volt MAX, which means that it has a nominal charge of 20v, but once you pull the trigger on the tool, it drops to 18v. The reason it is called 20v is to differentiate between the current 18v line and the new 20v line. You are right, the current 18v line is still far superior to most other competitors on the market. I don't see it that way as they have modified their 18V exstensively over the past 4 years. Seems like something isn't working out correctly. Maybe the battery chemistry is to blame. There is nothing that is not "working out correctly", there is going to be an additional line. I guess i don't see what you are trying to say. That is the factual reason for calling the line "20v MAX", and that is the true explanation of 20v (simplified obviously). And the chemistry used in the current 18v line are widely known as the best on the market. Calling it 20V Max is a bit deceiving since it is only 18V useable, but Dewalt is at least stating this in the interviews I have read. If the battery chemistry is working well with the A123 batteries then why, from what I have read, are they going to a different brand battery? Typically if something is working to be "the best" then why change it? Well, i've just switched to nano over the last tear, 18v for the cordless drills. DC950L2 DC920L2 and DC988 nano version. Got a circular saw and jigsaw in 36v. Kept my nailer, grinder as they are working with teh new nano batteries. And i think dewalt did right making the batteries interchangeable. But if the new ones are going to replace the old type and not be interchangeable. I'm just not intrested anymore. Someone stated lighter, on par with makita. But i don't want a makita competitor. Old dewalt were bouncing well, when falling of a roof, and makita don't. I think i'll run through my battery packs, 7 nano, 7 old XRP. And see what is available at the moment when it's time to replace. A lot of my friends quit using hilti because of the frequent battery change and non interchangeability. Lots of us running dewalt now. But i realy don't like the new politics of dewalt. At first, they were selling us rebranded elus. Which was fine by me. And soon, they gonna sell us rebranded black and decker crap! I don't know how many more times that it can be said, but I will say it one more. 18v is not going away. 20v MAX is an additional line, not a replacement. If you are happy with your 18v lineup, keep using it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatorb8881393434512 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 Product is shipping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTDiesel Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 I don't know how many more times that it can be said, but I will say it one more. 18v is not going away. 20v MAX is an additional line, not a replacement. If you are happy with your 18v lineup, keep using it! Some people just don't read lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanxrus Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 I'm thinking a 20v Max FAQ topic should be created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatorb8881393434512 Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 I'm thinking a 20v Max FAQ topic should be created. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 I don't know how many more times that it can be said, but I will say it one more. 18v is not going away. 20v MAX is an additional line, not a replacement. If you are happy with your 18v lineup, keep using it! Some people just don't read lol Huh? The 18v line is going away? (sorry, I had to do it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toologics Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 We decided to test out the new line by freezing the battery and tool. The lithium-ion batteries seemed to work flawlessly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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