iam76 Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 no table saw anymore.. sold mine... hmmm is this a better solution... planned on the circle saw... now i am intrigued by this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigh9916 Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 I wonder if the battery on the back gives it a funny balance point...still looks cool. All track saws are blade right...you don't need to see the cut on a track saw...kinda the point of the track.Sent from my SM-T310 using TapatalkYes but if you wanted to take 1 inch off a full sheet of ply the only way to do it is to lean over the sheet and cut it or use the saw left handed ? I know it's not a big deal though !Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremon Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 Why couldn't you just flip the saw/track (actual question; I have no experience with track saws and have never seen one in person). Worst case scenario throw a fence on a sidewinder lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overanalyze Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Yes but if you wanted to take 1 inch off a full sheet of ply the only way to do it is to lean over the sheet and cut it or use the saw left handed ? I know it's not a big deal though !Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThat is the thing with a track saw...there really isn't a right or left hand model. The blade is on the right yes, but you just have to plunge then push. I often cut where I can't see the blade or am cutting walking beside the blade using my left (I am right handed) hand to push the saw. I don't worry about it because I line up my track with my marks and it is clamped down. It isn't uncomfortable or awkward beacuse you aren't relying on your hands/arm to guide the saw. Still my favorite tool to use. Sent from my SM-T310 using Tapatalk 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regopit Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 As much as I like to cut the cord I love the fact that I can plug my FST track saw in to the Dust Extractor. That is the biggest problem I see with most cordless track saws. They all kick up a ton of dust. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremon Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 I would like to see an adapter similar to the 18v-20vMax adapter so you can "intelligently" let a cordless vacuum (powered by its own battery) that your saw is running and it needs to power up and do its job lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnarlyCarl Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Keep thinking this would be a nice second tracksaw...but also am curious to try out the Festool HK saws...Sent from my SM-T310 using TapatalkIn my dreams!!Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 57 minutes ago, Bremon said: I would like to see an adapter similar to the 18v-20vMax adapter so you can "intelligently" let a cordless vacuum (powered by its own battery) that your saw is running and it needs to power up and do its job lol. This is called a tool actuated switch. There's options on the market but nothing cordless. I've been trying to put a switch kit together for a big boy vacuum (Ridgid 6.5hp) but nothing on the market can hold up to the starting amps they draw. Best thing I've found is the iVac tool actuated switches but they're only good for 5 peak HP even with dual dedicated circuitry. Search continues. =-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremon Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Could there maybe be hope in the FlexVolt platform, or would 120vMax potentially be required? (In which case for the mitre you're dedicating 4 batteries to cleaner cuts) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy MSG Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 12 hours ago, Hugh Jass said: This is called a tool actuated switch. There's options on the market but nothing cordless. I've been trying to put a switch kit together for a big boy vacuum (Ridgid 6.5hp) but nothing on the market can hold up to the starting amps they draw. Best thing I've found is the iVac tool actuated switches but they're only good for 5 peak HP even with dual dedicated circuitry. Search continues. =-/ The other option is to use the tool with the vacuum set up for the purpose. The Fein, Fetool and DeWALT dust extractors are set up to have the tool plug into the vacuum. Pull the trigger on the saw, the vacuum roars to life, wait for both to get up to speed and then plunge the saw into the wood. Finish the cut, let go of the trigger and the vacuum continues to run for a little bit to finish clearing the hose. I know DeWALT has clips available to clip the cord to the hose and I am sure the others probably offer the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 On 8/31/2016 at 0:21 PM, Grumpy MSG said: The other option is to use the tool with the vacuum set up for the purpose. The Fein, Fetool and DeWALT dust extractors are set up to have the tool plug into the vacuum. Pull the trigger on the saw, the vacuum roars to life, wait for both to get up to speed and then plunge the saw into the wood. Finish the cut, let go of the trigger and the vacuum continues to run for a little bit to finish clearing the hose. I know DeWALT has clips available to clip the cord to the hose and I am sure the others probably offer the same. Yep, and you pay hundreds of dollars more for $10 worth of electronics and switch gear just for the option on a vacuum that has a lot less suction, because it has a lot less power to make room for the cranking amps of the tool that's actuating the vacuum. It's a firm pass for me, I'll reach for the switch and keep the performance personally until a solution becomes available. I hate paying a lot more for a lot less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 On 8/30/2016 at 11:56 PM, Bremon said: Could there maybe be hope in the FlexVolt platform, or would 120vMax potentially be required? (In which case for the mitre you're dedicating 4 batteries to cleaner cuts) Personally I think this is the one tool that we won't see out of Flexvolt. A good Vac requires a lot of power, it's not the voltage that's the issue. Smaller less powerful vac's will likely come to 120v flexvolt but they won't be competitive with mains power tools anytime soon IMO. For an instant a 6.5 peak hp motor can draw over 4800 watts and 44amps, for instance. It takes 4 flexvolt batteries (the power station) to combine for a 3600 peak rating, and that's without a tool actuating the vac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overanalyze Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 So I had a thought...if a cordless vac had a dust sensor on it that would trigger the vac on it could work like the tool trigger on AC vacs. Our BuildClean HEPA filter has one to trigger the fan speed higher when dust is present...maybe to expensive?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffmcmillan Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 1 hour ago, overanalyze said: So I had a thought...if a cordless vac had a dust sensor on it that would trigger the vac on it could work like the tool trigger on AC vacs. Our BuildClean HEPA filter has one to trigger the fan speed higher when dust is present...maybe to expensive?? I'm guessing that senses the dust flowing which you couldn't do before the vac turns on. What is really necessary (and I'm surprised festool doesn't have this already) is a signal either sent through the shop vac hose or using bluetooth to the vac. The downside is this requires compatibility between the two tools which of course won't exist between brands. I bet Milwaukee will have a onekey vac in a couple years and re-release the miter saw so everyone who wants dust collection has to buy a new one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overanalyze Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Yeah it would mean that the sensor would need power when in that mode to be able to do it's job. Also the sensor would probably need to be in the end of the hose vs at the unit which would make the hose more expensive. Good thought on the one key. That could be an option. Sent from my SM-T310 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jronman Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 whats the advantages and disadvantages of including a hook on a circular saw? I feel like I don't use it to its full potential but maybe Im just using it wrong? I find I can easily set the saw on the ground when the cutting is finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overanalyze Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 whats the advantages and disadvantages of including a hook on a circular saw? I feel like I don't use it to its full potential but maybe Im just using it wrong? I find I can easily set the saw on the ground when the cutting is finished.If cutting in a saftey cage up in the air it is nice to hang it out of the way. A cordless saw will get used up on a roof for framing too. Having the ability to hang it out of the way while you secure something is a big help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboS1ice Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Rafter hook is nice to hang on a saw horse when your grabbing another piece than to set on the ground and trip over JimboSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffmcmillan Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 1 hour ago, 2448jman said: whats the advantages and disadvantages of including a hook on a circular saw? I feel like I don't use it to its full potential but maybe Im just using it wrong? I find I can easily set the saw on the ground when the cutting is finished. There really isn't a disadvantage since it's a couple ounces on a >7lb tool and folds out of the way. It's a huge lifesaver when you're holding something in place with one hand and actually have the saw within reach. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnarlyCarl Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 On 9/2/2016 at 10:34 PM, jeffmcmillan said: I'm guessing that senses the dust flowing which you couldn't do before the vac turns on. What is really necessary (and I'm surprised festool doesn't have this already) is a signal either sent through the shop vac hose or using bluetooth to the vac. The downside is this requires compatibility between the two tools which of course won't exist between brands. I bet Milwaukee will have a onekey vac in a couple years and re-release the miter saw so everyone who wants dust collection has to buy a new one. ahhahaha classic! it's annoying tho, grinds my gears sometimes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jronman Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 I prefer using right blade saw with my left hand. I don't mind the right blade design of the track saw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jronman Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 On 9/1/2016 at 8:49 PM, Hugh Jass said: Yep, and you pay hundreds of dollars more for $10 worth of electronics and switch gear just for the option on a vacuum that has a lot less suction, because it has a lot less power to make room for the cranking amps of the tool that's actuating the vacuum. It's a firm pass for me, I'll reach for the switch and keep the performance personally until a solution becomes available. I hate paying a lot more for a lot less. So does the vac only have less power when tool actuated or does power increase if the switch is used? I was interested in the DeWALT vac since it has tool actuated option and has self cleaning system but if it doesn't have enough power I may need to look at a different option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jronman Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 1 hour ago, JMG said: wow sounded like the Festool was struggling a bit. The DeWALT sounded like it had power to spare. Also nice the DeWALT works with Festool track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jronman Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 On 8/29/2016 at 8:31 PM, iam76 said: no table saw anymore.. sold mine... hmmm is this a better solution... planned on the circle saw... now i am intrigued by this for larger/wider material the track saw is the way to go. The cut, when properly used, should be great. A track saw is going to be a more expensive option than a circular saw, but what you get with the increased cost is a better cut, usually better dust collection, and more accurate cuts. I wouldn't completely get rid of your table saw though. If I could only have either a track saw or table saw I would go with the table saw because it more easily can cut narrow material. The table saw is a lot better for cutting small or narrow material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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