dwain Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 4 hours ago, Bremon said: Most cordless grinders seem to be 8000-8500 rpm. This is 9000. Reasonable bump. I also had no plans to get any of the 2.0/6.0 black FlexVolt batteries and will be selling them when the new 3.0/9.0 yellow ones come out. The current ones are clearly a stopgap. I've seen some around 9000-10,000 RPM. But don't be fooled, no-load speeds doesn't mean squat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremon Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 True. I'd imagine with less voltage drop a higher speed can be maintained though. More and more cells seems to be the key to performance; Fuel w 9.0, FlexVolt, or the metabo 36v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnarlyCarl Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 7 hours ago, Hugh Jass said: Well only in the sense that 9.0 is a stopgap for 10.0, and 12.0 and so on. There's always linear progression. That said I think it was premature of them to develop the 6ah pack at all, could have waited a few months and shipped everything with 9ah using the upgraded cells and had better arguments against milwaukee 9ah pack. Yeah, I think Milwaukee should have done this with their 9 ah packs and waited until they could start using the better cells to really help stay ahead of the performance curve. I'm sure it's not going to make a difference for anyone with the available 9 ah packs, because they do work great already, but we all know how they love their stupid marketing claims 7x battery life 5x cooler 5x sexier .... You're right bremon, I too could go the rest of my life without seeing that on every one of their products 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremon Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 8 hours ago, Hugh Jass said: Well only in the sense that 9.0 is a stopgap for 10.0, and 12.0 and so on. There's always linear progression. That said I think it was premature of them to develop the 6ah pack at all, could have waited a few months and shipped everything with 9ah using the upgraded cells and had better arguments against milwaukee 9ah pack. I disagree that it's only in that sense. 9.0 is not a stopgap; it's the latest and greatest tech. XC 6.0 packs are not a stopgap; they are the latest and greatest tech. FlexVolt 2.0/6.0 IS a stopgap because they're using cells from 2+ years ago so they could get enough current draw to rush their new line to market. Opinions and all that, but this is how I see it, and imo it's plain to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremon Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 1 hour ago, KnarlyCarl said: Yeah, I think Milwaukee should have done this with their 9 ah packs and waited until they could start using the better cells to really help stay ahead of the performance curve. I'm sure it's not going to make a difference for anyone with the available 9 ah packs, because they do work great already, but we all know how they love their stupid marketing claims 7x battery life 5x cooler 5x sexier .... You're right bremon, I too could go the rest of my life without seeing that on every one of their products I don't actually think that using larger cells with higher current capabilities crossed any minds in Brookfield. I think they thought they were being plenty "innovative" just by slapping another row of cells in the battery and calling it a day. I could be wrong: maybe we have the bean counters to blame, but to me the wait between now and the yellow 9.0 is still shorter than the wait from January '16 to two weeks ago which is how long the HD9.0 was delayed to begin with. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stercorarius Posted October 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 48 minutes ago, Bremon said: I don't actually think that using larger cells with higher current capabilities crossed any minds in Brookfield. I think they thought they were being plenty "innovative" just by slapping another row of cells in the battery and calling it a day. I could be wrong: maybe we have the bean counters to blame, but to me the wait between now and the yellow 9.0 is still shorter than the wait from January '16 to two weeks ago which is how long the HD9.0 was delayed to begin with. I think we actually first heard about them the spring of 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremon Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 They were announced in June '15 with a launch window of January '16. They showed up in September '16. 15 short months to generate and maintain hype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnarlyCarl Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 1 hour ago, Bremon said: They were announced in June '15 with a launch window of January '16. They showed up in September '16. 15 short months to generate and maintain hype. So the reason they were delayed was explained at the NPS '16 event. The cells they bought for production were not the same they received for testing, so apparently they had to wait all over again for the proper cells. Again with the supply chain determining the outcome 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremon Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 The journey from test lab to store shelves can be an arduous one. I wonder who got fired for that blunder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffmcmillan Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 2 hours ago, Bremon said: The journey from test lab to store shelves can be an arduous one. I wonder who got fired for that blunder. More likely they stopped doing business with a certain supplier. I'm glad they waited though because I've seen the results of just shipping with a component that didn't meet specs and reduces performance. Doesn't work out in the long run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremon Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 Exactly. Contract terminated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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