DR99 Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 It's pretty much only useful for professional electrician's I think we have one or two wandering around here. It's a tool to cut knockout's in electrical boxes.http://www.coptool.com/milwaukee-m18-cordless-force-logic-knockout-2676-23/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conductor562 Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 Even though I don't have a need for most of them, I can appreciate the innovation that goes into them. All these cool specialty tools and still no damn M12 Pop rivet gun......bastards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR99 Posted October 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 If i was in one of these specific trades it were I would need them I would buy them in a heart beat. The big thing i like if the propress for plumbing if i was a plumbing guy that's huge for speed consistent quality and it will work with wet pipe. Shakbites are nice but they are expensive to use all the time while the tool is expensive the fittings are cheaper with the propress,so long term as a plumber you would save money and the tool can be used on pipes with some crazy diameters. I think I saw some places are requiring it for commercial work in the code, and for the contractor I bet it helps with liability the tool tells you if the joint has been done correctly sweating isn't and exact science the joints can fail and if they do it can cause a ton of damage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian M. II Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 I agree with Tool Junkie. We did our camp in pex and our friend (the plumber) had a pex tool similiar to the milwaukee one. Everything went together quick and easy without any leaks. Still no leaks 2 years later. However, about 6 months ago at my parents house had an old solder spot starting to leak, a side that is close to the wall. The low visibility when soldering can be an issue. This caused us to cut a hole in the floor and wall to fix everything. When I build my house I might just buy the tool and pex the whole thing. Although I don't know which is better, pex or copper as far as life expectancy, still planning to do some research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conductor562 Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Pex is cheaper and while I'm not saying I agree with it, you will take a small hit on your appraisal for using it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR99 Posted October 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 I'm kinda sold on pex for diy home owner type repairs it's so much easier to work with. Plus if you mess up it's not nearly as costly as compared to copper pipe. Pex and sharkbite fittings the are my go to products for plumbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonT Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 I work in residential construction and pex is the only thing we use anymore. copper is way to expensive, splits when frozen, and slow to install, in my opinion, we use the copper ring to secure the fittings and we have had zero leaks and the best part is no battery powered tools to fool with just clamp and go. but thats just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR99 Posted October 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 How much of a premium would a copper job be over a pex job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonT Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 materials are usually about the same, most of the time you save on labor. i have seen companies charge the same either way but its usually about a 10% savings when we do pex, but then again its been so long since we have done copper i doubt i could be very accurate. also i see you're in michigan and for cold enviroments I would only have pex because it doesnt split like copper when frozen, it just expands. Conductor, do they really lower the value of a house in your area if it has pex? if so that is ridiculous, as for my area, western NC, they dont decrease the value any for pex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSionnach Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 The insurance inspector told me it would lower our premium if I swapped out the copper for pex. He also said it isn't much of a selling point because most people don't know or care about their plumbing as long as it works. Saving $40-45/ year isn't worth the expense unless there's an issue later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 They need to come out with some 18v nailers like dewalt has. I want too retire my 18v xrp already and have all Milwaukee cordless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conductor562 Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 materials are usually about the same, most of the time you save on labor. i have seen companies charge the same either way but its usually about a 10% savings when we do pex, but then again its been so long since we have done copper i doubt i could be very accurate. also i see you're in michigan and for cold enviroments I would only have pex because it doesnt split like copper when frozen, it just expands.Conductor, do they really lower the value of a house in your area if it has pex? if so that is ridiculous, as for my area, western NC, they dont decrease the value any for pex.I asked the guy that appraised my house 2 months ago that question. Pex would have hit me for $2000 on a $230,000 house. Not huge, but noteworthy. He also commented that copper was a dying trend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 I used to be a RE appraiser in the good old days in the early 2000's when the market was strong. What I can say about anything that concerns value for a property always comes down to what someone (buyer) is willing to pay. If the appraiser said the value for Pex is $2000 +/- there must be valid proof from the comps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conductor562 Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Hell, for all I know it could be based on the value of the metal. I didn't really get into it too deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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