DC9096 battery with only 2 terminals

[lozza351]

Has anyone ever had a DC9096 type 1 battery with two terminals. It doesn't have the third terminal in the middle which I understand is the temperature sensor? I am wanting to charge the battery and have a DC9310 charger that has 3 terminals in the charger. It just doesn't do anything when the battery is plugged in. I have had the battery repacked and tested as OK. Do I need a different charger or is there a workaround? Any help appreciated.

[kjones]

Has anyone ever had a DC9096 type 1 battery with two terminals. It doesn't have the third terminal in the middle which I understand is the temperature sensor? I am wanting to charge the battery and have a DC9310 charger that has 3 terminals in the charger. It just doesn't do anything when the battery is plugged in. I have had the battery repacked and tested as OK. Do I need a different charger or is there a workaround? Any help appreciated.

Sorry to tell you, but I believe that you bought a counterfeit battery.  There have been a number of these being sold lately, which look like actual DeWALT batteries, but when you put them side by side, you will see that the plastic shine is different, the size of font is different, and the shade of yellow is different.  And most of all, there is no third terminal, which makes it not work.  Sorry, but I would try to return these to where you got them.

[lozza351]

Ohh I see, looks like I have been ripped off then. Thanks for letting me know as this at least clarifies the issue.

[kanxrus]

Could you post some pictures up for future reference?

[lozza351]

Here are some pics of the fake battery. Hope it helps avoid this problem for anyone in the future

[deedub35]

These fake batteries are pretty authentic looking.  There are even the date codes stamped on the top shell.  If these were sitting on a store shelf at a good price, I'd probably be duped into buying.  Before this thread, I never noticed the terminals.  Will do from now on.  Thanks.

[Russ1393434539]

What else tipped me off that this item is a fake (besides the terminals of course) is the type of screws that hold the casing together.

It's not unusual to use torx screws, but it is unusual to see Torx Security (also called Tamper resistant i.e. TR) screws.  However, what really caught my attention is the fact that Torx Security T9 screws were used.

Take it from a person who has done hours of research on this matter, finding a Torx Security (T9 in this case) is hard enough and in fact only four companies (to my knowledge) sell TS9 wrench's are Bondhus, Wera, Wiha and Elklind.  However, finding  TS 9 screws them self are even harder. 

I'll say this much, whoever built this fake battery certainly wasn't your average DIY'er, that person likely really knew what they were doing. 

Seeing as your unlikely to be able to return your battery Lozza351, there is something you can do in the mean time.  And that is make this fake battery legit like it should have been in the first place.  I am not all that familiar with terminals like some of the other members are, however I do have some experience with torx drive's.

The first course of action you want to do is pick a Torx Security wrench as this will be easiest to work with.  This can be done for $5.95 at Grainger.  The Grainger Item is  2CXZ9.  In addition the Mfr. Model # 15709  and this tool is made in the United States of America.

In the event that is not enough information for you, I have some more information to help you out.  Here you go.  Tamper Resistant Torx Key, L, Long Series, Tip Size T9, Arm Length (In.) 3.19, Blade Material Heat Treated 8650 Chrome Nickel Alloy Hex Steel, Black Oxide Finish, Meets/Exceeds ANSI B18.3 and Federal Specification GGG-K-275D. 

Now in the event the screws are Torx Security T9, I also several other sizes that might fit the bill as well.  I am pretty certain these screws aren't common much like TS10 and up, so that I why I am providing smaller sizes first.

For Torx Security T8 the Grainger Item number is 2CXZ8  (that is really all the information that is needed to find the item online) and it costs $5.95 and like T9 wrench it is made in USA, in fact every wrench I am going to list is made in USA.

In case that doesn't work out, TS T7 Grainger item number 2CXZ7 might.  It costs $5.95

The last size that I imagine this screw might be is Torx Security T6 and it's Grainger item number is 2CXZ26 and it's slightly more expensive at $6.32.  However, this seems to be the smallest Torx Security size I've found anymore, not just at Grainger's or even Fastenal. 

I wish I could provide more help if it's small than TS T6, but given taht Eklind only makes up to size T6 with their Torx Security, I am not sure if even Wera, Wiha or even Bondhus makes sizes that small.    Your best bet would actually bet would be either to call/email Camcar/Texton Inc for more information as these companies acutally own the license to  Torx in general.

I am not sure if there is store such as this in your state  Lozza351, but in the event that you can't really find solid answers to how to fix the terminals and need help with some re-wiring/and what not,  I recommend taking this drill batter to  a shop called Batteries Plus.

I've taken several items there before and have usually had success.  Admittingly, their prices could stand to be less and their service costs as well, but at least (most of the time) they know to work with batteries. 

Hope I was able to provide some helpful information.

[kanxrus]

What else tipped me off that this item is a fake (besides the terminals of course) is the type of screws that hold the casing together.

Dewalt uses the security screw's on some of their batteries, DC9180, and DC9181 to mention a few.

[anadevi]

I have a set of Wera Torx Security drivers so I can confirm they make at least the following sizes:

7,8,9,10,15,20,25,30,40

Obviously, these are not made in the USA. I seem to remember the set cost around $100

What else tipped me off that this item is a fake (besides the terminals of course) is the type of screws that hold the casing together.

It's not unusual to use torx screws, but it is unusual to see Torx Security (also called Tamper resistant i.e. TR) screws.  However, what really caught my attention is the fact that Torx Security T9 screws were used.

Take it from a person who has done hours of research on this matter, finding a Torx Security (T9 in this case) is hard enough and in fact only four companies (to my knowledge) sell TS9 wrench's are Bondhus, Wera, Wiha and Elklind.   However, finding  TS 9 screws them self are even harder. 

I'll say this much, whoever built this fake battery certainly wasn't your average DIY'er, that person likely really knew what they were doing. 

Seeing as your unlikely to be able to return your battery Lozza351, there is something you can do in the mean time.  And that is make this fake battery legit like it should have been in the first place.  I am not all that familiar with terminals like some of the other members are, however I do have some experience with torx drive's.

The first course of action you want to do is pick a Torx Security wrench as this will be easiest to work with.   This can be done for $5.95 at Grainger.  The Grainger Item is  2CXZ9.  In addition the Mfr. Model # 15709  and this tool is made in the United States of America.

In the event that is not enough information for you, I have some more information to help you out.   Here you go.  Tamper Resistant Torx Key, L, Long Series, Tip Size T9, Arm Length (In.) 3.19, Blade Material Heat Treated 8650 Chrome Nickel Alloy Hex Steel, Black Oxide Finish, Meets/Exceeds ANSI B18.3 and Federal Specification GGG-K-275D. 

Now in the event the screws are Torx Security T9, I also several other sizes that might fit the bill as well.  I am pretty certain these screws aren't common much like TS10 and up, so that I why I am providing smaller sizes first.

For Torx Security T8 the Grainger Item number is 2CXZ8  (that is really all the information that is needed to find the item online) and it costs $5.95 and like T9 wrench it is made in USA, in fact every wrench I am going to list is made in USA.

In case that doesn't work out, TS T7 Grainger item number 2CXZ7 might.  It costs $5.95

The last size that I imagine this screw might be is Torx Security T6 and it's Grainger item number is 2CXZ26 and it's slightly more expensive at $6.32.  However, this seems to be the smallest Torx Security size I've found anymore, not just at Grainger's or even Fastenal. 

I wish I could provide more help if it's small than TS T6, but given taht Eklind only makes up to size T6 with their Torx Security, I am not sure if even Wera, Wiha or even Bondhus makes sizes that small.    Your best bet would actually bet would be either to call/email Camcar/Texton Inc for more information as these companies acutally own the license to  Torx in general.

I am not sure if there is store such as this in your state  Lozza351, but in the event that you can't really find solid answers to how to fix the terminals and need help with some re-wiring/and what not,  I recommend taking this drill batter to  a shop called Batteries Plus.

I've taken several items there before and have usually had success.  Admittingly, their prices could stand to be less and their service costs as well, but at least (most of the time) they know to work with batteries. 

Hope I was able to provide some helpful information.

[Russ1393434539]

Anadevi:  $100?  Ouch, for my Wera Torx Security T10, T15, T20, T25, I paid less $10 for them.  However, while Wera tools aren't made in USA (they are mostly made in Europe) they actually make pretty decent tools.  However,  they are known for bonus product features, so there is several cases you might be paying more for features you may or may not need depending on your self.

I will say this though, they do make fantastic bits, but I really like their insulated slotted screwdrivers.  Now I bought mine at Grainger so the item number is 6ANJ9, but not only was it less expensive than the Wiha version, the insulation is made out of a stronger material, but the insulation also covers more, but it also came with a air tight cap for maximum protection of the slotted screwdriver as well.

If anyone is interested, I do have a "direct" line (or so I was told) to Wera and I am more to happy to post it if anyone wants.  I also have a number to Bondhus as well, but Wiha's number is easy to find (it's on their website) but I am not so sure about Elklind. 

Dewaltdude:  So they do.  I was going off only several model numbers, so anything is possible really.  Now I'd really be surprised if Dewalt ever used Torx Security Plus, as find the drill bits/wrenches and screws for that are anything but easy.   

[anadevi]

Thanks Russ for your reply.

The set I bought included both standard and micro. I experienced some sticker shock but I've had them for quite some time. The quality is  defiantly there.

I needed a thin shaft as the torx screws are often deeply recessed. At the time maybe a bit of laziness on my part searching, there were not many options especially for recessed screws where you can't use a 1" bit.

Anadevi:  $100?  Ouch, for my Wera Torx Security T10, T15, T20, T25, I paid less $10 for them.  However, while Wera tools aren't made in USA (they are mostly made in Europe) they actually make pretty decent tools.  However,  they are known for bonus product features, so there is several cases you might be paying more for features you may or may not need depending on your self.

[Russ1393434539]

Anadevi, happy to help.  Glad that you received two types for the amount you paid.  Not trying to judge or anything, but that has to be the most expensive set of torx I've ever heard of.

I am not surprised about the quality though, Wera is known for high quality and truly exceptional craftsmanship.  That screwdriver I was talking about was only $6.50 but is not only has CAT IV protection, IEC/ENS protection 60900, has that air tight cap and other nice features. 

I've looked at other insulated screwdrivers and Wera does come out on top.

As for torx screws that are recessed, I do believe Fastenal and or Grainger might still sell them.  But when you say Torx, which type are you talking about?  Standard, Torx Plus, Torx Security, Torx Security Plus or  external Torx.    There are torx bits, wreches, screwdrivers and sockets.   

I don't really get the option to talk about torx in general that often, so it's cool that I am able to do so now.

[anadevi]

Hi Russ,

Heres a couple of Amazon links of the Wera drivers:

Amazon - Wera Torx standard

Amazon - Wera Torx micro

Wera is up there in price for sure, however about 10 years ago I bought a set of Hudy drivers (60 in total). I don't even want to talk about how much I paid for those.

Anadevi, happy to help.  Glad that you received two types for the amount you paid.  Not trying to judge or anything, but that has to be the most expensive set of torx I've ever heard of.

I am not surprised about the quality though, Wera is known for high quality and truly exceptional craftsmanship.   That screwdriver I was talking about was only $6.50 but is not only has CAT IV protection, IEC/ENS protection 60900, has that air tight cap and other nice features. 

I've looked at other insulated screwdrivers and Wera does come out on top.

As for torx screws that are recessed, I do believe Fastenal and or Grainger might still sell them.   But when you say Torx, which type are you talking about?  Standard, Torx Plus, Torx Security, Torx Security Plus or  external Torx.    There are torx bits, wreches, screwdrivers and sockets.   

I don't really get the option to talk about torx in general that often, so it's cool that I am able to do so now.

[Russ1393434539]

Anadevi,  nice tools, but yeah, a bit too expensive for my taste.  The tools are certainly worth the price and actually well made. 

I much rather pay more money for a tool that could easily last my life time, plus  even longer than that, then something that might last maybe several minutes, if even that. 

When it comes to standardized torx drill bit/screwdriver I'd only buy from Bondhus/Wera/Wiha.  I like Klein Tools and Elklind, but they don't make screwdrivers/ drill bits.  When it comes to standardized torx wrenches, I'd only ever use a Klein/Elklind/Wiha/Bondhus. 

When it comes to the specialized torx types (Plus, Plus Security, Security)  that is when Wera really comes in handy, as with Elklind.  But I am going to let everyone know something about Wera that is not exactly that most people like to hear, but should be known.

Even though most Wera tool's are made in Europe, they do add features that let's be honest, sometimes really aren't needed and make a tool a bit more expensive.

For example my Wera insulated screwdriver.  Truth be told, while I am glad this slotted screwdriver is anti roll, if it wasn't, no big crisis.  It sure is nice, but I know for fact that made this tool a bit more expensive as this second line of this product. 

But I will give Wera this and I sincerely mean this, out of every insulated screwdriver that is actually worth buying (Klein Tools brand, Wiha, Bondhus) Wera is the only company to use the right type of insulation.  Klein's Tool insulation, while CAT IV and OSHA rated and fairly thick, is soft and because it's soft, there is a good chance it could tear and that would essentially would lessen the chance of any protection when you most need it.

Wiha insulation is again CAT IV and IEC/ENS 60900 and is quite dense, but because it's so dense, towards the top of the insulation, it's so dense, if you not careful it could become brittle if exposed to much coldness/potentially a heat. 

Yet Wera's insulation not only covers more of the metal, but is a perfect medium between softness and toughness.  Also maybe this is just me, but the color of the insulation is more lively, but not so much that it's weird looking. 

But as much as I love Amazon, Grainger at times has better prices merely because they buy factory direct and there is no middle man to take more of money away. 

Thanks for the reply.

[anadevi]

Hi Russ,

Like you, I think  good quality hand tools should only need to be bought once. I have a few 3rd generation hand tools which I also expect to be passed along.

I would like a set of insulated tools, and I very much like the few Klein tools I have. It's an interesting observation on they type of insulation used. Up unit now I've not really given that much thought I will check out the Wera insulated tools.

My test equipment is largely Cat IV 600V/Cat III 1000V and I look for independent testing - Fluke for example have all of their meters & accessories independently tested.

A pet gripe of mine - It's an eco-system and a lot of people just don't think or realize that along with Cat IV & Cat III test equipment the probes (and type of probes) and tools also need to carry the same Cat rating. They cost more and I frequently see the probes where people went cheap.    Since the probes are the business end of the meter and what your holding in you hand you would think that would be the last place people would go cheap.

Anadevi,  nice tools, but yeah, a bit too expensive for my taste.   The tools are certainly worth the price and actually well made.   

I much rather pay more money for a tool that could easily last my life time, plus  even longer than that, then something that might last maybe several minutes, if even that. 

I like Klein Tools and Elklind, but they don't make screwdrivers/ drill bits. 

But I will give Wera this and I sincerely mean this, out of every insulated screwdriver that is actually worth buying (Klein Tools brand, Wiha, Bondhus) Wera is the only company to use the right type of insulation.  Klein's Tool insulation, while CAT IV and OSHA rated and fairly thick, is soft and because it's soft, there is a good chance it could tear and that would essentially would lessen the chance of any protection when you most need it.

[Russ1393434539]

Anadevi, 3rd generation?  Wow,  I hope whoever inherits those treats the tools well, as they sure don't make tools like they used to.  Quality and support for products has changed so much (not always for the better), so it's typically the older items that will last longer than these newer items.  I can't tell you how many times I've seen great tools become just another tool just because the quality no longer is there. 

As for insulation, I'd like to first say in no shape or form am I a electrician.  I have knowledge only through studying books, instructional video's and some experience by watching licensed electricians.    That being said,  the reason I care so much about insulation is because I have been shocked a couple of times.

It's a long story, but I will say that I was still a green horn and was acting like a average green horn.  Luckily, I learned and learned quick.  Not everyone is as lucky as I have been. 

I love Fluke though.  I own several Fluke products.