Mountain_Lion
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just return it for another 90 day return policy ifind dewalt's manufacturing uneven even on their good tools
did that three times already, kind of getting old for me.... :-(
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Have you checked another saw that was on display in the store to see if it looked the same way? Bottom line, if you don't feel right about it take it back and get another one. If it's the same way then most likely you will have to live with it or go with another brand of saw. Doesn't seem right to me. But sometimes you can't get the same angles on a saw tilting both left and right. Check the manual for stats on this to see what they say. Good luck
display saws do not have blades installed. i took it back already 3 times and every single one I got as a replacement had even bigger issues. missing parts, older type, wrong parts etc. Other brands are bulkier and not better at all. Sometimes you cant but when the manufacturer says you can, you should be if you paid money for it. I checked the manual (of course) there is nothing in it about this issue.
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Have you checked another saw that was on display in the store to see if it looked the same way? Bottom line, if you don't feel right about it take it back and get another one. If it's the same way then most likely you will have to live with it or go with another brand of saw. Doesn't seem right to me. But sometimes you can't get the same angles on a saw tilting both left and right. Check the manual for stats on this to see what they say. Good luck
None of the Display units at the stores have blades attached to them. Which is kind of annoying because you can not see that there is this exact problem with the unit.
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My DWS780 is not centered between the kerf plates, either. You can see in the first picture how it is more to the left. But that being said, it does not hit when doing a 45° angle from the right (or from the left). I apologize for the photos being rotated, I'm not sure why it is changing the orientation of the picture.
Mine is way more to the left. your is more to the center than it is to the left, although it is not centered and it is to the left. Mine is very close to the left kerf plate and if I bevel it it slighly touching the kerf plate. I guess you got lucky. Thank you for posting.
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My DWS780 is not centered between the kerf plates, either. You can see in the first picture how it is more to the left. But that being said, it does not hit when doing a 45° angle from the right (or from the left). I apologize for the photos being rotated, I'm not sure why it is changing the orientation of the picture.
I can see from these pictures that yours is in better postion than mine because you are not as much to the left as mine is. If my saw blade was or had at least one milimeter to the right I would clear it when making bevel cuts at 45 degrees. thanks for pictures. great help but as you can see from my video mine blade is way left.
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The question now is why are some just catching on the edge? I don't remember seeing anything in the owners manual related to to an adjustment if your saw had this issue. I don't really see how you could adjust it even if you wanted to, if you moved it any ,it would throughout out somewhere else. I'm going to go through the set up instructions again to see if I can find anything on this.
that would be awesome and appreaciated...
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I think it is very simple. DeWalt representative told me it should be centered and said there's not much he can do over the phone and asked me to bring it in. It' s a hussle so I first checked if people like you knew how to fix this. Apparently this is a subject to a debate. So I will take it to DeWalt just to be absolutely sure. Not a big deal. And I do not think allowing the blade to shave off the left kerf a little is a good idea, because there is limited space under the kerf plate and it may be just enough space for saw to clear other parts of the inside only if it is centered. If it is not centered it may actually hit the metal part under the kerf plate. One should never attempt to modify their saws kerf plates this way. I doubt that DeWalt wanted people to shave off even a micrometer of its kerf plate. Everything is done by computers nowadays and everything should be precise. Now if for some reason the kerf plate itself was not simetric and you could see it was wider then it should be, I would then think shaving some off in order to center it would be okay but the way you are saying I can't agree. Thanks!
I'm the one that made the comment about the blade cutting the kerf plate. Don't take this the wrong way and try to understand what I'm saying. Your blade, no doubt is slightly touching the edge of the left plate when you bevel it to the right at 45 degrees. If you start the saw and run the blade down slow the saw teeth will create the required clearance by shaving off ever so slightly that little bit of material that is coming in contact with the blade teeth. As you know, the only reason it's hitting in the first place is because the blade doesn't have as much clearance on the left as it does on the right. If the blade was centered with equal space on both sides of the blade it may just clear both plates when beveled to either side. I really don't know why DeWalt designed it this way and I don't think the explanation I got from DeWalt is correct but it is what it is.
Plastic is a very soft material compared to wood. If you had cut a piece of wood at 45 degrees to the right and hadn't noticed that the blade made contact with the plate before you used the saw, you won't have noticed that the blade shaved the plastic as it cut through the wood. It wouldn't have done any damage to the saw blade or saw. But because you noticed this prior to cutting the 45 your reluctant to do it because you believe it's not the right way to solve the problem. DeWalt wouldn't design it so that the user has to cut it to fit, right.
Some kerf plates were made in a one piece design, they were plastic like the old Delta saw I had. You created the slot once the saw was set up properly by cutting through the plastic kerf plate. This method gave you the tightest clearance to the blade possible. Some saws have adjustable kerf plates. There are kerf plates available called zero clearance made specifically for clean 90 degree cuts without any tear out. But you really cannot bevel the blade with these plates because they are so close to the blade.
Anyway getting back to the issue, if you don't want the blade to remove that little bit of material on the left kerf plate because you think it might ruin the saw or blade you better hope you never need to bevel cut a 45 to the right because there is no other way to over come this from what I can see. I'm sure everyone who ever used this saw did this without even realizing that the blade hit the kerf plate. Every DWS780 I've looked at has the same clearance as yours. I bet if you used a non carbide tip blade it would just clear it. It was probably designed with a regular blade installed and no one ever gave any thought to whether it would clear a carbide blade.
Seems I find fault with everything I buy. I'm always wondering why they designed something they way they did because it's not aways the best design. I modify just about everything and make it perform much better than original. DeWalt is no different than most companies. They manufacture a quality product for the most part the least expensive way possible and have it perform within specs and make as much profit as possible. Yes, I've found fault with DeWalt tools also. It's a fault I have but at the same time a gift. I wish I could have had a career improving on manufacturing designs, I would have enjoyed the challenge. -
No you are fine man. I have been doing some research to find myself a good miter saw and everyone really liked the Dewalt. Now once it's fixed I'm looking forward to hearing what you think of the saw.
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I absolutely LOVE this saw. Its like owning a lexus but because I am new to this type of equipment I dont know what is acceptable and what is not so I learn by asking questions. It feels expensive and very well put together. I made cuts and I was absolutely stunned how perfect they were. It was as if someone had sanded, polished, and put a coat of gloss over the bevel cut I just made with this saw. I wish I could show you. I absolutely LOVE this miter saw. It definitely is my favorit but you know what? They still have some room to make their product even better. They can package it better. I would include 2 clamps not one as they have. Some DWS780s have minor cosmetic scratches (imagine your laptop having scratching when you buy it). Though this is not a laptop or far from it, I dont think it should have any scratches. Like an automobile you buy. Would you like scratches and visual imperfections on it? Neither this saw should have any but it usually does. The left throat plate on my saw came scratched up and its not a big deal but a little annoyng. I think they have a poor quality control. They may be more concerned with how the saw performs and that is a good and the right thing for them to be concerned but neglecting on little things is wrong. I like the bau house design which Steve Jobs incorporated into Apple's MAcBook laptops. What it means is that no part of the product or the design is less important than the other. i.e. all parts are equally important, YES even those that we do not see, including the internal parts which the operator usually does not see. They too have to be absolutely perfect. So this saw this division of black and decker (who apparently owns DeWalt) has lot more room to grow and improve on their product and they should. If I was them I would hire a japanese quality improvement consulting firm and some expert quality control folks and I wopuld hit it hard right in the very center of it. That's what I would do if I had it my way. But for now I am going to use this saw, carefully, find out as much as I can about it so I can fly this thing and try to make some money out of it and enjoy the process in the meantime! Cheers!
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Ok, no I meant that I can't believe that it was supposed to do that. I think someone replied to your post and said it was supposed to do that. I was meaning that I couldn't imagine Dewalt would intentionally make it so you just shaved off what you needed if it wasn't square. Thanks for the video though. Hopefully now you can get it fixed so you can use that sweet saw!
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My apologies I am totally on the same page with you. Hopefully the one who said shaving the kerf plate was okay can see the video. Sorry about confusion.
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My comment was directed at whoever said that it was ok for the blade to be touching the side. I do not need to see a video unless you are just feeling froggy and want to make another video.
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I don't know what feeling froggy means, but I understood your comment as you not believing that it was touching the side and if that is the case than the video should clarify that.
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I can't imagine that it should be touching the base when it is beveled like he mentioned in the original post above.
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I made this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXDTd37JPF0&feature=em-upload_owner
Just so I could show you what I am talking about.
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I think you should listen to the DeWalt rep. After all if he works for the company that makes your saw so he must know everything there is to know about it along with your issue. If I could only count the times I've talked to people about issues that all worked for the same manufacture and received a different answer from everyone of them. I think you miss understood what I was trying to explain, maybe it's my fault the way I worded it but I'm tired and I really don't feel like arguing about it, you do what you think is right. I'm just relaying the answer that DeWalt gave me explaining the reason for the offset blade. This came from their technical support dept. so who knows if they know what they are talking about. I know that my DWS780 has the same clearance and it cuts just fine so I don't consider it to be a problem and their explanation seemed reasonable enough. If your blade is set up correctly to the fence the saw will cut the correct degree angle as long as the material is parallel to the fence. The kerf plates are there to support the material that is being cut and to help reduce tear out. Sure if the blade was out of alignment you would notice a gap difference between the blade and the plate but that's not reason they are there.
Maybe the kerf plates are not there to provide accuracy for the blade alighnment, yes that may be but again this is guess work and not a definite reason but I know for a fact that they are not there to be sawed out or cut out in case if the blade can not clear it. That would be bizzare. Anyway. Thank you for yourhelp. I am not trying to argue, we're just trying to figure this out. I liked your first post, it made a lot of sense but couldnt agree with your second post that kerf plate can be trimmed. Sorry thats just how I think about it.
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. Glad that u got that sorted out MT.Lion and welcome to the crew man as u can see we have a great bunch of guys willing to help out with any questions needing answers. Enjoy!
absolutely, thank you!
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I can't imagine that it should be touching the base when it is beveled like he mentioned in the original post above.
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if you can't imagine it I would be more than happy to make a video and post it right here for you and your imagination!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXDTd37JPF0&feature=em-upload_owner
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I have learned so much from my many mistakes over the years
trile and error :-)
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Maybe the blade is bent, but roadhog96 has a good point
Blade's not bent. Roadhog96 does have a good point.
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The Kerf plates are plastic. So the saw blade would shave what ever is needed to be removed and doing this won't hurt the blade. When I bought my first miter saw which was a 10" Delta, it didn't have a slot for the blade in the Kerf plate. Once the saw was set up 90 degrees to the table you start the saw and cut the slit in the plastic, same for 45's, it's that simple. If they were steel that would be a problem but that's why they are plastic. This will give you the tightest clearance between the Kerf plates and blade that's possible at all angles.
No Sir, I disagree with you completely and here is why. Dimensions of the throat plate are there for a particular reason. That reason is to show an operator if something is out of line. If you see that your blade is not centered which it should be there might be a bigger issue at hand than just simply cutting what you think is not necessary there. I just hope medical surgeon who operate on human beings do not have the same logic you do. According to the DeWalt representative I spoke to about this very issue, he told me that nothing should be out of line. He said EVERYTHING should be perfectly centered and symmetric and IF it is not, he said it is because either your blade is bent or your miter saw was damaged during transportation or something is out of line and when that is the case, the last thing anyone should do is start cutting peaces of the miter saw (even IF they are made of plastic) off. The reason they are plastic is NOT because they want you to cut it off if the blade is not centered.
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Yea when I bought a Ryobi years ago there was no cut in it, so I took the screws out and tossed it. Bid mistake wood pieces fell in the hole all the time, if only youtube was around and I wasn't so dumb.
I hear you. I see people throw new parts away on youtube and I can never understand the motive. Keep the parts, I think, you never know, you might decide to sell it in the future. But admitting and agknowledging out past mistakes is what makes us better. Thanks for the post. I'm a keeper so I will hang on to my plates and will not trim anything like "Turner85" had suggested. I find that advice to be very poor.
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Have you changed the blade recently and also have you made any cuts yet or is this a new saw?
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brand new saw, never changed the blade, came with the blade assambled, ready to go. I did make a few cuts after I posted this question and it worked like a champ.
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There's nothing wrong with the saw. I posted the same topic over a year ago after I noticed mine. I ended up contacting DeWalt about this and they responded right away. If memory serves me right it had to do with being offset to accommodate the blade arbor adapter and was completely normal and part of the design. I posted this on the forum so everyone would know but at the time it was the DeWalt Owners Group not Tools in Action and apparently that topic is no longer in the archives. Mr Yellow might remember this because he posted pictures of his saw to show it looked the same as mine but hadn't noticed it till I had brought the subject up.
whew.... OKAY, that's what I wanted to find out too. Thank you! I did call dewalt and they wanted me to drag this thing to their service center so I thought I try this website first.
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Hi, This is my new Type 20, DWS 780 and the blade is slightly off center. It is very close to the left throad plate almost hugging it when in a 0 degree angle. I have a link to the video I made that explains what the problem is. Now, I would not consider this to be a problem unless the following was happening. You see when I tilt or bevel my saw to the right all a way at 45 degree angle and if I lower it in that setting it is touching the left side yellow throat plate. This time it is not just close to it but actually is hitting it. How can I if I can at all fix this annoying little problem?
thank you!
Here's the link to my video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IGHEWt1m_g
DeWalt DWS 780. why is the blade off center to the left side?
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that is brilliant. that would be awesome. two pairs of eyes better than just one. I have the manual.