R1FF
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Essentially done.
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Got it installed.
This pic is before adding the metal brackets in the middle. But even at this stage this setup felt strong as could be.
I did not end up adding the second metal wall bracing. I can always add later if the system starts to show wear.
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On 10/19/2021 at 11:21 PM, Jronman said:
No I just have them in my garage. I personally wouldn't use them in a van. I would go with the van racks if you can even find any. Not sure why DeWALT discontinued them van racks
I looked everywhere. Couldnt find em.
So per the recommendations of members here, bought the shop setup and then started swapping out the weak points.
Ended up swapping out everything LOL. Im running the plastic lateral braces merely for aesthetics at this point.
Seems there are quite a few people that have installed their own van racking and had no issues. Im fortifying mine as much as possible and I think it will work.
Much of the van securement redundancy appears to be so the setup is crash safe. Not necessarily needed in my application since it’s all going in the trailer.
I just need mine to survive the road harmonics.
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On 10/13/2021 at 8:53 AM, Jronman said:
I have 3 of the regular wall racks setup and haven't had any issues even after a few years of use. Swapping out the plastic for metal just isn't needed in my opinion.
You have them setup in a vehicle?
I'm putting mine in a box trailer.
I cant see the plastic lasting that long. But I’d love to be wrong.
The discontinued van racking was all metal. Two lateral braces. Four vertical struts. And three brackets that secured each vertical struts to the wall. And the base was metal.
The harmonics/vibrations of being in a vehicle seems like it would take a toll on the plastic over time.
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After studying the designof the OE van racking system I’ve decided to forgoe the plastic base plates and weld metal plates like on the van racking system. Over time I could see the plastic taking a beating.
Also decided to have horizontal supports made. Basically identical to the van racking system.
Will leave the plastic horizontal pieces as part of the setup. But wont rely on them alone to secure things to the wall. I’ll be adding a second set of metal braces giving the setup a total of 4 tiers of attachment to the wall. Two plastic and two metal. The metal pieces can be bought from DeWalt it turns out.
Im fairly hopeful that this will be a secure setup longterm.
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On 8/30/2021 at 9:51 PM, TradeCraft said:
Shop rack tubing is fine for a static load in a garage. But in a mobile situation the tube walls are thin, short and are splined together with plastic joints. The mounting brackets are for lag bolting to wood studs. I recommend buying 1" full length tubing to roll your own.
Ive installed the 3 lateral wall braces in the trailer to mount too. Measured up so that the (plastic) lateral DeWalt braces & the two metal brackets line up.
Looking at this shop kit, there’s a lot of plastic. I have my concerns on how it’ll last over time.
Since Im going to use my own thicker tubing for the vertical main struts. Im wondering if I should bypass the plastic floor plates and simply have metal tabs welded to the bottom of the vertical struts.
And if Im doing that, I can ditch the plastic lateral braces. Or augment them by adding a couple metal ones like those that came with the van racking system. Necessary or overkill?
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Just spoke with the trailer mfg.
Thin & soft aluminum.
But they feel that with lateral bracing & floor support, I should be good.
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9 hours ago, TradeCraft said:
Shop rack tubing is fine for a static load in a garage. But in a mobile situation the tube walls are thin, short and are splined together with plastic joints. The mounting brackets are for lag bolting to wood studs. I recommend buying 1" full length tubing to roll your own.
Good points. The multi joint of the shop racking is definitely a weak point that i was planning on having to reinforce. But if the tubing itself is thin, that leaves me more concerned. Maybe I could get my own heavier-duty 1” tubing, but still use rest of the DeWalt shop hardware to mount it all up.
Im also quite concerned that the walls of the trailer are going to be strong enough.
Im planning on installing this up against the forward facing wall of the trailer. Not along the sides. As to eliminate lateral stress on the system when stopping the vehicle/trailer. But if Im being honest, Im not overly confident in the guage of aluminum used in this trailer frame. It’s a cargo mate by forest river. I can only assume they went as cheap as possible. Im gonna contact them to see the thickness.
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On 6/15/2021 at 1:24 AM, TradeCraft said:
WorkShop bracket vs DS Carrier bracket. Both are interchangeable on 1" square tubing with pin holes.
WorkShop bracket is 100% nylon plastic with a very small nipple for height registration. It's largely a friction fit that keeps it from sliding down the tube. DS brackets have metal hinge pins, a full size registration pin and heavy duty hardware with nylock lock nut.
Seems that maybe the brackets play a role in the difference in strength between the van & shop racking?
What if I installed a shop racking system into my trailer, and used the DS brackets?
Would that be a strong enough setup?
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On 6/14/2021 at 11:29 AM, Ady said:
I have the carrier brackets in my van with 1” square tubing for about 4 years now. Never had any broken brackets or boxing.
You sir, are the man.
Badass setup.
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I may be wrong.
Shop racking total limit is 440 lbs.
Carrier Brackets can handle 44lbs.
Van Brackets can handle 44lbs as well.
Seems the extra strength is solely in the wall brace system. But it cant be much. The low van’s entire system limit is 150 lbs. It comes with 3 brackets.
Im starting to think the strength of the van system is just in the reinforcements of the bracing. Which can be easily customized.
So if there is no real difference in the bracket arms strength, I think I know the solution going forward.
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39 minutes ago, Jronman said:
the van brackets are different if I remember right.
I believe you are correct.
DS Carrier brackets (08212) are compatible with the shop racking. But not the van racking.
The van racking brackets (08246) have a wider clamping surface. Thus it’s safe to assume they’re better suited for the vibrations of being in a vehicle.
The shop brackets are not sold separately to my knowledge. It seems the DS Carrier brackets are the option for those looking to add brackets to their setup (be it shop or carrier).
Do I think the carrier brackets are any stronger than the shop brackets? I dont. The question is, is the van system stronger because of the braces or the brackets, or both? Im assuming both.
I think a fortified custom 1” tubing system can be fabricated. And using the carrier brackets would work. But I dont think it would be as heavy duty as the van system.
There’s a huge waiting list for the van system. And DeWalt has officially discontinued the product so everyone’s orders are being cancelled. Really lame & perplexing by DeWalt.
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On 6/1/2021 at 6:29 PM, TradeCraft said:
Carrier brackets are much heavier duty than the shop brackets. I have lots of both. Carrier are made for mobile usage and also fold away. Shop brackets are for static shelving and do not fold away.
Interesting. I have the cart (ds carrier - 08210) and the brackets that came with it fold. Does that mean they are the same van brackets?
in that case I can just order another DS Carrier and build a mount/support system that holds the cart in place in the trailer. And since it’s using the heavier duty carrier brackets I can trust the strength.
I now understand that i misunderstood your original reply to my conundrum. I get why you suggested that i get 1” steel square tubing.
You got a link to the carrier brackets? I’ll gladly buy more.
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Bump. Anyone?
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19 hours ago, TradeCraft said:
Roll your own using ToughSystem DS Carrier Brackets and 1" square tubing.
DeWalt told me the regular brackets would be an issue in a vehicle setting. Too flexible. The van brackets are stiffer.
The carrier brackets are the same as the shop brackets to my knowledge.
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High Van Racking for ToughSystem (08241) has been discontinued per the DeWalt website.
I was told by DeWalt customer service that it is heavily backordered and that’s why it is showing as “discontinued”. No telling on if it is actually discontinued. Bracket arms (08246) were never available anyways.
So what are our options going forward? DeWalt told me the workshop racking isnt for vehicles as it will struggle with flexing of vehicle frame. The workshop bracket arms arent as stiff and will struggle in a constantly moving environment.
FWIW Im looking to install it in a aluminum framed box trailer.
Tough System Racking
in Dewalt
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Im quite mad at myself for not keeping a copy of the schematics. Cutom building this was quite the chore. I took my plans to a custom metal fabricator.
The plastic struts give you exact measurements. Tho, they are the one single component of the shop wall kit that Dewalt will not sell you individually.
I’ll try to get the measurements off of it for ya when I go to my shop.
Side note: just drove cross country with this setup. Zero issues. Held up strong.