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2 hours ago, JerryNY said:
True but I think Milwaukee is looking at their lights as competing with other mid to high end light manufactures, not other tool companies. Traditionally lights from tool companies have been add-ons to round out combo kits so they can claim "Five Tools" when it's really four + some crappy light. Somewhere along the way tool companies realized people liked even the crappy lights because they used the same largish power packs as the tool and solved the biggest light problem i.e. Always being sure you have a charged battery at hand. They have gotten much better from all manufacturers. Look no further than Ryobi with their excellent dual power flood and their lantern that both cost peanuts for what you get. Milwaukee doesn't want to compete with that.
This new black M12 light is almost a direct competitor to a Maglite rechargeable which runs about $100 retail, albeit with batteries included. The Maglite doesn't have a charge indicator afaik and when it dies you have to put it on a cradle to charge and can't keep using it. The M12 lets you swap a new battery pack and has significantly more lumens too. I think for what it is it isn't too badly priced for a quality light with a good warranty, especially if you already have a mess of m12 batts...
Perhaps I am simply in the wrong thread. I realize that the thread topic is the m12 flashlight. Obviously there's a crap ton of flashlights out there.
I was more talking about the $400 for the stand light and $300 for the 360° light, or whatever it is. I'm on my phone so I'll go back and look later. There really is no cordless competition for those lights, at least in Home Depot or Lowe's. I'm sure someone can find some obscure German light that works similarly, but that's not what we're talking about here.
When we're talking competition, especially for the m18 lights, we're really talking about Dewalt, Makita, Bosch, and I suppose if you want to include a couple lesser brands, you could throw in Ridgid, Ryobi, Porter-Cable, and a few other entry level brands. NONE of these companies have lights like Milwaukee does. That's a problem. No competition = high prices. They can charge whatever they can get for them because the next company isn't offering a competing product. Just look at how many people in here said "that's a f***load of money but I'll end up getting it during a promo."
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On 6/17/2016 at 4:06 PM, HiltiWpg said:
Milwaukee has spent the last 4 years buying market share. Now that they are popular, prices will keep going up as long as the market will bear it. They are cashing in on years of giving away stuff.
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Not only that, but ZERO competition doesn't help to keep the prices down either.
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12 volt tools are generally smaller and lighter. The M12 line also gets you things you won't find anywhere else, like the copper tubing cutter and pvc shear.
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They all look like D handles to me. http://www.homedepot.com/s/m18%20sds?NCNI-5
But the particular style in question is just longer, so you don't have to bend over as far or maybe reach up as high (although I've never drilled concrete above my head).
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It's very surprising to me that Milwaukee could be that far off the mark with this one. Especially since it appears to be similar to the Senco, as mentioned above, and the 15 gauge finishing gun kit is $329. No framing gun is also a huge disappointment. I got tired of waiting on the framing gun and picked up the yellow today. Might end up going with the Senco, although I might hold off until my Milwaukee rep gets his demo display in.
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On 5/22/2016 at 7:01 AM, JimboS1ice said:
Most combos still are shipping with the slow charger but I want to say some one key combos have the rapid
I was pretty annoyed when my One-Key kit came with the old charger.
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I don't think the 2897-22 kit was even out eight months ago, at least in the US.
In any case, you got what everyone else got in their kits.
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Milwaukee had problems with the clamps on the M18 stand light. They fixed it with a redesigned clamp fairly quickly. Hopefully they do the same with these guns.
Although if you're expecting a cordless tool to be lighter than a pneumatic one, that will never happen.
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On 5/5/2016 at 4:15 PM, Stercorarius said:
Pnuematic torque impact wrenches are extremely common for guys who work on mining equipment. One of many brands, these are accurate to within 5% torque. http://torcup.com/product/rp-series/
I don't doubt that. They aren't impact wrenches though.
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On 4/30/2016 at 6:49 AM, KnarlyCarl said:
Use air impact on constant pressure nitrogen so its not affected by temperature, then use torque sticks?
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There's still too many variables. The big one I can think of is heat buildup. Torque sticks aren't that accurate. I wouldn't use them to torque my own wheels, but if you're a flat rate mechanic, a torque stick is certainly better than nothing.
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1 hour ago, DiverDn said:
All great replies.
Torque is is more important than speed. Use will be around the farm on heavy equipment.
Im invested in the dewalt 20 volt line But would not be opposed to buying into Milwaukees line. I've had great luck with their customer service.
Thanks again
john
I'm surprised no one else mentioned this, but you're looking for impact wrenches. Drivers are usually 1/4" and take bits instead of sockets.
If you're invested in the Dewalt line, I'm sorry about that ;). Might as well stick with what you know. The 899 is supposed to be as powerful as Milwaukee's big boy 2763.
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No impact wrench type tool in the world can tighten a fastener to an accurate, repeatable torque spec.
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On 4/13/2016 at 11:33 AM, Daniel Julian said:
I saw it in stock at my HD earlier this week marked at $598.
They are marked $698 here
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On 4/6/2016 at 1:09 PM, khariV said:
It would not be too far of a stretch to say that the Ryobi Air Strike nailers were the first gen and that the Ridgid Hyper Drive was the second gen. That makes the Milwaukee Fuel nailers third generation. From the looks of them, and the claims in the marketing materials, they certainly seem to be improvements over both.
That's pretty much what I was going to say.
No way am I going to pay $329 for it. Wait until you can get it at HD with a free battery kit or something. The $150 HD promo is only seven months away!
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6 hours ago, kruton said:
The article said they are going to sell for $599. I think the 18" depth is what would keep me from getting one though.
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Gah, I swear I read the article before I posted too! I was distracted by those bags.
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1 minute ago, BMack37 said:
The bag also looks damn good. I'll have to take a good, hard look at that. It looks like the first bag I've seen in a while that addresses the problems of my "Snap-On" bag while maintaining the benefits of it.
I hope they're around $30. I could really use a couple of them.
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4 minutes ago, khariV said:
Pretty sure they were thinking that their core customers don't regularly use tools that are 50" long that they want to store in a drawer. That plus the fact that I'm quite certain that a single 60" wide drawer would be quite a bit more expensive to build and support and still keep the price of the whole thing reasonable. I might be wrong, just a though.
You don't need a 60" drawer because of 60" tools (and it would be closer to 54" anyway). You use one for better tool organization. Let's say you have socket organizers that are 16" long. With a 54" drawer, you can place 3 side-by-side-by-side. With two 25" drawers (maybe 26"), you don't have that option at all. Now please don't go say "not everyone will use it for sockets," as that was just an example. It applies to any sort of layout you want to do. Having two small drawers instead of one long one can waste a TON of space.
These are probably also only 18" deep units. What are they going to cost? Close to $1000? For that kind of money, you can get a much larger Masterforce brand new at Menard's when they're on sale, and you're also getting close to a KRL722 on Craigslist. Maybe I'm wrong, and they'll be more like $700-$800, which would be closer to the cost of their 46" stack. I still think you'd have to be a SEVERE fanboy to get one. Like the kind of guy that paints his car Milwaukee red and gets Milwaukee stickers to put all over it. Not to say that it'll be a bad unit or anything, just that better options are available (IMO) for the type of money they'll probably be asking. I'm saying this and I'm a huge fanboy. Find my post of my wall o' tools. I've added a couple more since then.
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I really like that bag. I wish the top drawer in the 60" was full length. WTF were they thinking? The 30" one looks good though if you have space for it.
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It offends me that you used a drill and not an impact driver to DRIVE in those pocket screws ;).
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They are supposed to be making a pneumatic framer too. Not really excited about that one either.
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Heck, for $50 more, not much sense in getting the bare tool.
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This doesn't seem to do much, especially for the price. Personally I don't see much need for One-Key beyond drills and impacts. Most other tools already have the needed customization built-in.
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When is Milwaukee coming out with their own credit card?
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16 minutes ago, hemdale said:
- There are lots of features to look for. Besides weight and max torque, any particular spec I should look at ?
- Impact drills can be (very) noisy. In your opinion, is it something to be taken into account ? Don't want to end up wearing ear plugs everytime I'm using it.
Thanks everyone.
Yes, modes/speeds/whatever you want to call them. A lot of the lower end drills only have one speed, which, granted, can generally be changed by feathering the trigger. The Milwaukee M12 Fuel impact driver (2453-20) has two speeds. The Milwaukee M18 Fuel (2753-20) has four settings, but really only three speeds. The fourth setting is for self-tapping screws. Milwaukee has three lines, 1) Brushed 2) Brushless and 3) Fuel (which is also brushless). I haven't verified with every single impact driver they make, but I'm 99% sure that the only ones that offer speed selection are the Fuel line.
Dewalt just came out with an impact driver that has speed settings, the DCF887. It offers a slide switch to change between settings, whereas the Milwaukee M18 has individual buttons for each setting. The M12 has one button that is just a toggle between the two settings. I believe the Dewalt DCF895 also has speed selection. It features an odd chuck that requires a separate trigger to release the bit. Some like it, some don't.
I also have the Makita XDT08Z, which does not have speed selection either, although it is brushless.
I guess you could just sum up by saying, in addition to weight and torque, look for speed selection, and whether the tool is brushed or brushless. You may also want to figure out what other tools you may need down the line and figure out which brand is best for those needs. That way you don't have to keep up with multiple battery and charger lines.
To help aid you with your search, the proper name for these tools is "impact driver." Yes, they are noisy, and if you're driving screws all day with one, I would advise you wear ear protection (and also eye protection). This goes for any type of impact power tool.
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Milwaukee vs DeWalt....
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Talk to me when you have a full line of brushless impact wrenches, copper tubing cutter, pvc cutter, polishers, more than three lights, a charger that charges more than two batteries, a full range of rotary hammers, ratchets, magnetic drill press, planer, metal shears, 7 1/4" circular saw, bandsaw, anything else I'm missing?