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I just ended up ordering the aws vac. Fingers crossed that the $100 premium for AWS ends up being worth it for me. I’m gambling that it will be but with very low expectations. I need cordless dc for most of my projects and my dewalt 20v vac isn’t quite up for what I’m asking it to do. I’m hoping that mak will release an AWS adapter or that I can hack a Bluetooth adapter of my own for universal use with any of my tools.
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6 hours ago, jtkendall said:
Ordered the Gen 2 Milwaukee Fuel Hammer Drill and Impact combo kit from Acme today. Couldn’t see any point in just buying the drill bare tool when for $90 more I can get the impact and two batteries. Also they’re doing a deal so it came with a bonus 2Ah battery. Should have ordered it over the weekend when they had the St Patrick’s coupon but forgot to do it when I got home.
Congrats, good choice on getting the combo kit. I ran across it about a month ago in a Home Depot and it came with the extra battery as well. You’ll forget about the extra 90 dollars by the weekend and you’ll have an awesome kit. The impact is worth having also and I seem to use it even more.
About to twist some steel wire so I got this channelock ironworkers plier today
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Both made in Malaysia, I have the ps22 onsite for one of my jobs but will look tomorrow. I think it’s 2014 or possibly ‘15.
The impact is also the gdr ‘professional’ and is 2015.
That’s unfortunate about the chuck on your new driver. I wonder if you could get a replacement from Bosch?
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I’ve had really good luck with my makita batteries. I use them professionally and some are a decade old. The really old ones don’t hold a charge as long as the new ones but I give them away when I don’t think they hold a charge long enough. If you aren’t always buying new tools and you want new batteries, eBay has some good prices for makita batteries.
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On 3/16/2018 at 9:08 PM, AnonymousJoe said:
I found one other video reviewer who mentions he had the same problem, he didn’t show it tho, just says milwaukee sent him another to test and that’s what he used. I wonder how some of these guys get these tools sent to them for testing. Every video is the same stuff in a different garage except one guy who pets his cat and drills in a frozen tree stump in his front yard lol I’d like to see someone actually use these at work and post a video of that. If I were milwaukee I’d say “ here’s the tool, send us back an x-minute long video of u using the tool at work and we will edit and post the video.” Tool reviewers can still do their independent reviews but at least there would be some video out there besides 15 different guys drilling a 3/4” spade bits into a board in their garage.
As as far as the clicking goes... I wonder if it’s the brake. I noticed this and if u watch in the video u can hear the drill brake real hard kinda like dewalt drills do. My drill did this too but now that the issue is gone it brakes smoothly-er like any milwaukee drill does.
Mine just started doing this yesterday. Or maybe I noticed it for the first time but I’ve been comparing it to my other drills a lot and using it a lot lately. I think I would have noticed it if it had been doing it before. I tinkered with it for a while getting it to repeat. I’m suspicious that it might be the brake kicking in. It sounds the same as the first fraction of a second when the brake activates if you let off of the trigger quickly when running lower rpm. I just noticed this thread today and tried to get it to do it again but am not able.
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7 hours ago, D W said:
Thanks @Blendz that's a good idea. That's exactly all it needs, I think I'll give that a go!
The stopping issue has really slowed down for me lately. It hasn't happened for 2 weeks now which is great.
Glad it’s happening less. That’s really unfortunate. I own bunch of different Bosch brushless and have never had an issue with any. I use my ps22 every day and it’s been great so far.
Also, mine does work as expected with 25mm bits. The chuck is just deep enough to hold them about the same is a bit holder or just like the Bosch images.
I have a ps42 impact I got from Korea a few years ago and it’s chuck is as you describe, being a little too deep.
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On 3/10/2018 at 12:44 AM, noccem said:
Thanks for the heads up! How do you like the adjustable wrench on the far right? heard some mixed reviews about them.
It’s amazing if you need one that large. I prefer the 180mm - 200mm size for 99% of what I do. These are only available in 250 and are quite heavy. I have some 180mm knipex pliers wrench that I like much better only because they are smaller and lighter weight. Otherwise, I favor this design to serrated jaws any day of the week and this plier is as good as the Knipex in my opinion, except the finish may not be as durable as the satin chrome on the Knipex. I think I like the push button for adjustment on the Knipex opposed to opening the handle all the way to slide the jaw open on the wiha. I do like the way the wiha can close by pushing the jaws even when the handle isn’t open. It can zip into tighter position regardless of the handle position.
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Wiha has a good sale. Got pliers wrench and auto grip pliers for 44.99usd together and the combo pliers 17.99.
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3 hours ago, Marcv76 said:
Dewalt needs to step up their vacuum game. Cordless vacuums are probably my favorite cordless tools because they are used on the job, at home, camping ect..Dewalts cordless vacuum is outdated, loud, and doesn't have much suction. I thought it was good years ago but not anymore by todays standards.
Agree, I’m really close to getting a cordless makita but keep holding out thinking DeWalt may release a more powerful one soon.
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Have been tinkering with the torque settings as well. I’m having a learning curve with small fasteners and low settings. I’ve used it on metal fastening and it feels like it’s pretty consistent there but hard to know for sure. I know what you mean about the clutch feeling like it can let the drill keep driving. I like the e-clutch on my Bosch dds183 much more and the bosch is about the same weight. I think for critical small fasteners I’ll be relying more on my bosch12v drill though. It has a really sensitive mechanical slip clutch. Overall I love the gen2 tool and like the features and power with the tiny size. Even though I think the handle is less comfortable than the gen1.
On using the larger batteries, I feel like I might as well be using an 18v. Especially since my dds183 18v is the same size except for the battery and basically the same weight.
I’m having really good experiences with the impact also. My Makita 18v is actually smaller in the head and handle but again for it’s power and overall size and weight of the gen2 impact is pretty useful. It’s really powerful and fast. The controls are nice. It seems to have sort of an e-clutch on less than full trigger pull driving and on the lowest setting along with the self tapping setting. The self drilling setting seems to stop impacting after a second. Or pulsate the impacts. Something like that. I can’t exactly recall.
Here are is another thread where I posted some size comparison images on the second page:
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On 2/17/2018 at 4:13 PM, AnonymousJoe said:
Well Finally found a HD that has the new m12 in stock, contrary to what the internet says, and in the hood of all places. Picked up the combo kit. I’ll take back my ugly comment from earlier, these are good looking tools and I was a bit skeptical at first about the grip but once I held them they actually feel real good in the hand. These are my first 12 volt tools so ill
post more after I get a chance to play around with them.
Anyone know if the torque settings on the m12 drill translates directly to the same torque settings on the m18 fuel drill?
example: I frequently use the #2 torque setting on my m18 drill, but since the m12 has less power will I have to up the torque setting to say #5 or 6?
Congrats, They’re great tools and I really enjoy the kit I bought recently.
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3 hours ago, Biggie said:
A tools grip can be a pretty subjective thing because everybody has different sized hands along with different applications. I personally found the very first brushed m12 tools to have fat grips but their new stuff fits my hand almost perfectly. Now I would say I have slightly larger than average hands but the way grip tappers behind the trigger makes it sit in my hand nice and tight. Yes the bottom of the handle is bigger but its still much more compact than a slide type battery (not talking about the m12 larger xc batteries).
True, for me I preferred the grip on the gen1 fuel m12. The gen2 is wider at the top between thumb and index. The gen1 felt decent in my hand but the drill was too large overall. I also feel like, if going slide pack, go 18v. For 12v the fatter handles are worth it for overall compactness. I can fit a fat handled 12v tool in a backpack kit far easier than an 18v tool and I can perform 95% of the work I may do in a high rise and I don’t have to wait on the service elevator. I can also fly easier with the same compact kit using 12v.
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The respective websites for Milwaukee and Bosch state the weights of the tools with the bare Bosch and Bosch with 2.0 slim pack as heavier than the m12. I wish I had a scale that I don’t have to plug into my wife’s computer to use. I’ll weigh them some day but to me the 18v Bosch actually feels a bit lighter. I know balance has a lot to do with it but if I close my eyes and pick them up by the top, m12 feels obviously heavier. I really like both and am surprised at the size, speed and power from both the dds183 and the m12. dds183 has antikickback tech, and for good reason, in my opinion.
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Here are some size comparisons with the gen2 m12 tools. The drill with the Bosch dds183 and the impact with the Makita xdt14.
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On 2/8/2018 at 9:59 AM, The.Handyman said:
Super easy, just take apart and switch front assembly. Slips right off and on the motor drive gear.
Easy peasyI’ve been curious about installing a hex chuck onto the gen2 m12 fuel drill. Do you happen to know a solution for that??
I’m realizing that the gen2 12v fuel head size, although very compact is’n really more compact than my 18v bosch dds183 drill. Maybe a couple mm shorter if that. I only have a pic of the 18v with bosch’s 12v as my gen2 m12 is out on a job. The head sizes of the bosch 18v and the gen2 m12 are almost identical and of course the bosch is faster and has more torque. I also think the bosch electronic clutch is far better and the anti-kickback feature on the bosch is great. It is a little heavier than the gen2 m12 and far more bulky at the 18v battery area. For all day extended use the super ergonomic handle and performance of the bosch dds183 is preferable for me, even with the extra weight.
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On 2/8/2018 at 9:24 AM, The.Handyman said:
I absolutely love my Bosch 12v tools. The ergonomics are spot on. Size is small and light. I have the new M12 FUEL tools and the drill is bulky, albeit powerful. The impact is much better, more Bosch sized.
I went one step ahead and created the ultimate Bosch 12v FlexiClick out of a Ps32.
This is amazing! Well done! I’d happily void my warranty to do this without a second thought.
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On 2/8/2018 at 11:59 PM, D W said:
The ps22 has arrived already. Wow, I can't believe how light it is! Seriously surprised me. The brushed 12V drill felt a lot heavier than this (from memory). It is a bit top heavy which I expected, and the LED kinda sucks. It's been a while since I've held a Bosch 12V so I have to get used to the fat grip again.
This thing is impressive though. The usual Bosch high quality feel and smooth running. Definitely the lightest power tool I own now.
I'd really like to know what the Makita 12V hex driver is like. If you remove the chuck from the subcompact, that's how short it is.
I’d buy into the Mak 12v line just for this tool if it is ever offered in North America
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8 hours ago, D W said:
@XTsallaD thanks for the photos. The Gen 2 fuel looks HUGE compared to the Bosch. I'm surprised it's still that much bigger actually! The Gen 1 must be monstrous.
I really like the Bosch 18V in the photo (DDS183?). If I didn't have a Dewalt DCD796 I'd be aiming for one of those for sure.
Looking forward to the ps22. I use the subcompact Makita now, but I don't need all that power for driving. I rarely go beyond 10 on the clutch. 12V will be perfect.
Good eye, yes that’s the dds183. Spins fast and has a really nice electronic clutch. It also has a mechanical clutch which makes it feel really crisp and consistent. It will click once or maybe twice and the power will suddenly stop. It’s not very loud when the mechanical slips and it only clicks once or twice depending on how fast it’s spinning and how high of a setting. The new handle shape is as small and comfortable as dewalt’s But shaped differently.
The image of the m12 can be a little deceitful since the camera is so close and the chuck of the m12 is so large. Attached is a better representation but is from a higher angle and there’s still parallax happening. One point of reference would be that the back end of both of the driver bodies are about the same height or just a few mm higher than the bosch (~5 mm on the drill and the impact ~2mm). The m12 have a much longer handle and much more angle in relation to head and handle, which feels really nice in most scenarios.
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23 hours ago, D W said:
I considered using a drill holster, but I don't always have a belt on and sometimes I just like to pick it up and go.
I've recently ordered the brushless Bosch ps22 hex driver (below). I do a lot of small screws, putting up blinds etc. It's probably perfect for the TV jobs @BMack37. It's only 0.98Kg (2.1lbs) with battery! Super compact. There's a couple of nice photos in an old for sale post by @ChrisK here:
I'd love to see Milwaukee bring something like this out in Gen 2 form. I never used to see the value of having a hex driver. It just seems so convenient now.
I imagine you’ll really like that ps22. That will stand on it’s battery for you. I bought a reconditioned one a while back and it is my most used tool in my kit ever since I got it. I’m waiting for Milwaukee to make a hex chuck on the gen 2 format with the electronic clutch as well. I favor hex chuck drivers for a drill driver with a clutch but most are 12v. I think bosch make one but it’s not available in the us. Metabo makes a drill with both types of chuck and the 3 jaw is removeable. I did get a Hilti 12v hex chuck driver this past year. I like it a lot. It is brushed but is very quiet. More quiet than the ps22 but not as much torque. It has a slide pack style battery so the handle is really nicely shaped. You can sort of see the Hilti in one pic and there’s a pic with the ps32 next to the gen2 fuel.
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On 2/4/2018 at 7:20 PM, noccem said:
did you do all this at home depot? I also bought the gen 1 kit with stapler but returned it and bought the gen 2 for $179. However i was hoping to keep the stapler but they wouldn't do a return without it.
I guess I was lucky. I was prepared to keep the gen 1 kit if they wanted me to return the stapler and I would have just gotten the gen2 kit anyway. I figured that I would have bought the stapler regardless for 99 and the batteries were worth the additional 100 so it was like getting two tools for free in my mind when I bought the gen1 kit. I did still end up with a 66 dollar loss after the return but also kept the stapler. I might be a little addicted to buying tools. I just tell myself that good tools make me money, they don’t cost me money.
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On 1/11/2018 at 10:26 PM, Daniel Julian said:
tell me your vote...
1) $199 = M12 Gen 1 FUEL impact driver and FUEL hammer drill with 2.0 and 4.0 batteries PLUS the new m12 stapler
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2) $229 = M12 Gen 2 FUEL impact driver and FUEL hammer drill with 2.0 and 4.0 batteries.
Do y'all think the Gen 2 is worth the extra cost and not getting a free tool?
I bought the gen1 kit on this deal with the stapler and ended up returning the kit when the gen2 became available as I hadn’t used the gen1 kit yet. I kept the stapler but was only refunded 132 and some change so the stapler cost 66 and I bought the gen2 kit for 129. Yes, It’s definitely worth it for me. No doubt. The gen1 kit tools are larger than most of my 18v tools. HD offers a free 2ah battery if you buy the gen2 kit online and in some stores. I was fortunate to get the free battery offer in-store but would have purchased either way.
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I just got a gen2 kit and they do have good balance but are on the heavy side for their size. Nothing like a makita design. I guess it’s the trade off for the speed and power and the fulll set of controls and features. I still prefer my Bosch 12v being smaller and lighter tools but these do have a place if you almost need 18v speed or power and don’t mind fat handles. If you’re coming from makita, you’ll most likely think these are too heavy in relation to the size and power. I only own the makita 18v xdt14 impact but it’s a smaller impact head and I don’t know the weight but withe the light weight and good balance in hand it feels lighter than the m12 impact. The m12 feels smaller only if the 3 cell batteries are used. It’s nowhere near as fast under load as the makita. My smallest 18v drill is a Bosch DDS183 and I use it more than even the Bosch 12v drill for extensive work. It has more to do with he ergonomics of the tool handle for me.
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2 hours ago, Jronman said:
Milwaukee came out with a new m12 multichuck drill that is now a fuel model in Europe. One can only hope one comes to the North American market.
That sounds really cool. I Used the gen 1 fuel m12 hammer drill, 2404-20, next to my Bosch, hds182, brushless 18v hammerdrill to see which one I want to keep. It’s tough, I bought the Milwaukee to have a more compact option for traveling with but it’s huge. Not as large as the 18v bosch compact hammerdrill but it is longer. The bosch is so much more quiet and smooth. The Milwaukee m12 fuel is seriously loud when hammer drilling to the point that I would want hearing protection for the hammerdrill function and even louder than my bosch rotary hammer.... I rarely use a hammerdrill over a rotary hammer unless it’s just a couple of holes so I throw one in a compact kit in case I get surprised by a masonry wall during an install. Right now I hate them both. Maybe I should sell them both and try the new m12 fuel hammerdrill...
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On 9/16/2017 at 8:37 PM, Jronman said:
So I am finally interested in getting a quality bit set. I'm interested in something a little more than what my Flextorq set offers. I haven't had any complaints with my Flextorq set except it is missing a few bits that I occasionally use like Pozidriv and small sizes of flathead/strait/standard/or whatever it is called. A few screws used in Pella windows are Pozidriv and the Festool router guide rail kit uses them. I sometimes find the need for smaller flat head bits for older house hardware and whatnot.
I have seen guys like both Wera and Felo on the forum so whats the pros/cons of each. I'm sure both brands are great.
I have used tons of different bits and buy impact bits mostly because they look really cool. The only application that I find bits really needing the torsion designs is in metal to metal fasatening or metal to wood with high powered impact drivers. Apex, Zephyr, qualtool, wera, wiha, felo, bondhus, vega, Montana, etc.. all make excellent bits. In fact, the new Milwaukee impact bits, Flextorq, makita gold and Bosch new impact design have proven to be as tough as the industrial brands. Some are harder and more prone to shatter and some softer and more prone to deform upon failure. For the industrial brands, I would look at Wiha bit selectors or even the bulk bits of specific drive types.
https://www.wihatools.com/bits/bit-sets/slotted-phillips-torxr-hex-bit-xlselector-31-piece-set-11801
Wiha has frequent sales and Amazon pricing fluctuates and sometimes can be about half price. Wiha makes all sorts of bit styles like torsion designs, titanium coatings, diamond coatings, carbide coatings, stainless steel, and high torque impact torsion designs. Apex makes 3 different hardnesses and Wera has a selection like Wiha but is harder to find in the U.S.
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Pretty great looking idea. I wonder how well their electronic clutch works. Milwaukee’s m12 drill with electronic clutch can allow over torque at high rpm. Bosch’s dds183 and HDS183 use a combination of mechanical and electronic clutch which is very consistent regardless of rpm. This makita in the video seems to drill really fast in masonry for a hammer drill. I like the really high rpm it offers in drilling modes.