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7 hours ago, glass said:
Yes but, would 2 21700 cell 4 amp batteries weigh more and out perform 2 5 amp 18700 cell batteries? The question is can Makita make longer run time batteries without the weight and bulk of the Dewalt and Milwaukee batteries.
Possible but longevity would be greatly reduced.
https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Any potential increse in runtime is minimised by the cost and reduced life span of the battery.
Factor in the higher temprature generated after drawing greater current from fewer cells and you have a further decrease of life span.
While the salesman would like to offer it as an option to customers, Makita has already (and is still trying to distance itself from) been through battery issues early on when they entered the li-ion market. It would be foolish to leave anything to chance and a battery that doesn't last as long as the user would like would only help to perpetuate a bad reputation.
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9 hours ago, D W said:
If Makita uses bigger cells, then X2 tools are going to be seriously heavy and huge. Flexvolt are big with 15 cells, but Makita are possibly going to have 20 x 21700 cells on a single tool! 😨
I think Hitachi/Hikoki with Multivolt have a better approach. It's like a middle ground between Flexvolt and X2. A single 18650 Multivolt battery will do 36V and be exactly the same size as one of their original 6ah 18V batteries. To improve runtime (and likely power), they also have a bigger 21700 cell 8ah/4ah version that is 1440Wh. It's bigger, but not as big as Flexvolt or 2 x Makita batteries.
We haven't seen any reviews yet, but in theory Multivolt is looking like a winner. I kind of wish it was Makita that came up with the idea instead (or be the first ones to copy Flexvolt if you prefer I put it that way).
That's exactly why Makita are reluctant to push bigger batteries based on current technology and why the 9ah rumours are unfounded.
Every one I've spoken to (of course I can't verify it but it makes a lot of sense) who works with or for Makita suggest it's not of great importance to them. I've said this earlier on in the thread.
Who wants to lug heavy tools around all day just because they're Cordless?
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15 hours ago, Fireguy116 said:
Anyone actually think Makita will go this route with a battery operated back pack blower? I would love something like this instead of my hand held
Yes.
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23 hours ago, Ned said:
More New Tools listed on Makita UK web page.
Some do not have pic yet.
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15 hours ago, Fireguy116 said:
I was speaking with the Makita rep at the Makita innovations tour that stopped here in PA yesterday. He said Makita will be releasing 9ah batteries sometime next year. He wasn’t sure What cells will be in them he just knows they will be coming out.
Been hearing the same rumor for 18 months and every rep I speak to discredits it. I believe toolaholic kicked off that rumour on a live feed some time ago.
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2 hours ago, ToolBane said:
But I guess impact drivers are a good idea to not sit on your laurels with. The TTI triumvirate released three impact drivers that are all substantial increases in torque and rpm over the models they replace. Makita does not seem to be overly preoccupied with winning torque number wars though. Or maybe they just under-rate their numbers more than other manufacturers. The 170 won 2 of the 3 practical performance tests in this comparison outright and was a close second in the last. This 171 appears to have the same motor structure and torque/rpm numbers; most of the changes appear to be about features.
Milwaukee replace their units so frequently to keep their market happy; sure they improve them but they also know Milwaukee 'fan boys' will buy the latest for the sake of having the latest.
Take a look at Instagram every time a new Milwaukee tool is released... Everyone has got to have this or that tool. It's a trend I've become very wise to but it must move so many units for TTI because I see it so often.
Makita aren't as frequent and slower on a global roll out but after having used much of both brands I know which of the two I'd rather put my money on.
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5 hours ago, Ned said:
Makita UK NEW TOOLS just launched.
Very disappointed to see we're getting everything last if at all again. There's items I had to buy from abroad 6-8 months ago and they're still not out here.
Really hoped to see the DHR282.
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It's just a knock off.
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1 hour ago, Bremon said:
Available in a month and a half? We could probably give Makita the benefit of a doubt and wait until we see where street prices land before giving them too much grief. They have plenty of other SKUs that are widely available we can scratch our heads over.
The price whatever it might be doesn't really matter. It just seems that it (will be) an expensive tool for people who don't really want them any more. A good 75% of contractors I work for have banned them on site completely because of the hot works issue. Would have been better to look at a cordless TCT alternative.
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18 hours ago, kornomaniac said:
I've got no link. I'm a Makita dealer. I have the price list at work.
It's just not available anywhere yet and websites are screwing you over
It's available from the 30/10/18 so it's perfectly reasonable some websites would be listing it already. It's more than one so there's no need for you to be so smug.
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I've not used those particular batteries but I have a few 'waitley' (as pictured) branded knock offs and have used them without issue.
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41 minutes ago, kornomaniac said:
That price is completely wrong. That thing is like 250 euro in in Belgium.
Very cheap really since the corded version is like 350
Link?
Or are you talking about the price quoted on the Makita mailer?
https://www.passiontec.be/makita-dlw140z.html
€999.95
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Anything in England has a 6 year warranty as standard.
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1 hour ago, Ned said:
@kornomaniac Thanks!
It seams @SchenzhenSpecial is interested in his/her own opinion only disregarding everyone else.
I'm confused, are you saying I'm not entitled to an opinion because you don't agree with it?
The sales man @kornomaniacsells tools all day long; he'll have a clearer picture of what they're selling and to whom, I unfortunately have to make my money by using them and that is my opinion, like it or not.
3 hours ago, kornomaniac said:There are enough people that rather have a bulky battery then having to carry around and plug in an extension cord
What about rather have a bulky HD compared to a few more slimmer/lighter/less-bulky batteries? You've moved the goal posts entirely to better support what you're saying. Most people would rather be cordless than corded; HD packs, depending on application still wont last you all day, you're going to need more than one or you'll need power to recharge them. Sure you'll need less to (as I suggested) run a 9" grinder but you certainly won't get away with only one for the average day at work. Consider it 4-5 (heavy, bulky) HD batteries, or 4-5 compact batteries and a charger.
It offers little benefit given the cost of them and greatly reduces the compact and lightweight factor that used to be a massive selling point of cordless tools.
As I've said, I work along side people that use tools that need a lot of juice, if you offer them a £200 angle grinder + £1000 worth of HD batteries or a £120 corded model... I'll let you decide which one wins.
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Really doesn't bother me. With the weight and bulk of some of the newer HD packs coming I'm struggling to see the benefit of cordless tools. Can't remember the last time I didn't have power, besides the minor inconvenience of having to run an extension, I'd prefer my tools to be compact and lightweight for all day use, not clunky, bulky and heavy with a battery the size of a house brick on the end of it. .
And for the benefit of what, 9" grinders than can manage 20 or so minutes of runtime on a near £300 battery? Meh; vanity project, no more practical than carrying 5-6 batteries and a charger around with you.
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4 hours ago, ToolBane said:
I wonder if the batteries have been ready for some time but Makita could be waiting to update a few more X2 tools so new buyers aren’t stumbling into annoying compatibility issues unaware
Doubtful. Normally something is leaked well in advance of a product release, even when only in alpha stages. The only things I've heard about new batteries being developed were said to have been scrapped and taken back to the drawing board. I've heard many different things. As it is the latest I've been told is expect nothing until the end of next year. We shall see.
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3 hours ago, Martin said:
Interesting input to the topic has Toolpig on Instagram.
Not really. Hasn't said anything we don't already know.
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The 12ah are listed in the UK for £178.64.
https://www.powertoolsuk.co.uk/bosch-1600a016gu-procore-battery.html
That's Almost £100 less than the Milwaukee offering and £121 less than the DeWalt.
Unfortunately Bosch don't offer the line up that either of these do but that's not to say they couldn't.
The 8ah is around £130. No sign of the 16A charger but list price is €130 - very expensive for a charger. I'd rather buy another 8ah and just wait a little longer (which will be better for the battery health in the long term) for the slower charger.
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On 8/28/2018 at 6:58 PM, ChrisK said:
Awesome!
Do we think perhaps Bosch might have something to say about that?
It's been around for some years but I've never actually seen one.
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9 hours ago, QuasarCZ said:
Newer version of grinders? Do you know anything more please? What new features will these grinders have...? AWS maybe?
The 7" and 9" is being re-released with AWS.
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That's simply not true. Lithium is lithium, packing more of it into a cell doesn't make it perform any better or worse. It's longevity would be better compared to a smaller celled battery but that's not to say it would perform any better based on what's there. More cells offer better longevity at lower voltage.