SchenzhenSpecial
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1 minute ago, JimboS1ice said:
Why keep it so secret? Bosch and Dewalt are using 20700 and Metabo I think upped to 21700 it’s only a matter of time Makita
.... I think RIDGID/AEG 5.0 runs 20700s
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIt's only worthwile being common knowledge if everyone is doing the same thing. Maybe they aren't doing what we would expect. Solid state?
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Today I visited the DnM tool show in London, if you have a look @Ned post here:
I wanted to make a new thread as the other is dragging on a little after being derailed by usless nonsence. A few things I looked at. As Ned posted, photos of the current cordless X2 mitre saw and the spacing between the two batteries. I did take a tape measure and there's just about 4mm between the two batteries. If you considered future cells well 5mm longer this would consume 5mm between the two batteries unless they could shave .5mm from each side and they theoretically could be used while rubbing cheeks.
However I did speak to the uk Rep/Sales Manager, I believe his name is Martin and gave him the tales of speculation and his answer was basically 'where do they dream up these stories' while wearing a right grin, so he obviously isn't letting much go in terms of information on any possible future batteries but as for now they want you to presume it's not happening. It is, and the new tools are evident of this.
Also asked the question on 6ah batteries and why they're so hard to get hold of in the UK and the simple answer was, they can't make them fast enough to meet demand but they are due back in the UK before the end of the year so they will be back on shelves. Was surprised to see however, they're currently listed in Makitas new product catalogue at just over £360 each if memory serves which is an absurd figure.
They were still sellin BL1830 batteries (no indicator) and fairly cheap so I'd imagine there's a lot of old stock they're trying to clear to at least bring in the 1830B widespread.
Also heard that the 36v Rail/Plunge saw will be available in the UK this month.
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3 hours ago, dmz2084 said:
To be fair its the older 1.3ah BL1815 with no star protection that doesn't fit on high drain tools but the newer 1.5ah BL15n does fit.
Realistically, why are you even considering anything lower than a 4ah battery for high drain tools?
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24 minutes ago, kornomaniac said:
I'm unfortunate to say I think that any newer 20700 or 21700 celled batteries will not fit older X2 tools ( rotary, brushed circ saw, some garden tools )
However their might be a trade in system, perhaps new housings will be made available ( which are wider ) or perhaps an adapter. Who knows
Maybe for the US/AUS markets but as for the UK/EU we'll get what we're given and like it.
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14 minutes ago, Ned said:
Honest talks I am geting quite concerned about if the new batteries if any bigger (according to increased rumors about 21700 cell to be used) will fit my 3-4 Years old tools which still serve me well and I have no desire to change them any time soon.
Do you have any X2 tools? If so what's the gap measure between two current batteries?
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3 hours ago, Ned said:
I will be visiting D&M Tool Show (London, UK) on Sat and were Makita will sell x2 Grinder and gonna check for the spacing in the batteries as Makita reps does not make any comment about any new stuff. Will take tape measure with me
I'll be there myself. The DGA900 is already set up for wider batteries.
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1 hour ago, Stercorarius said:
The only way they could just go taller is if maybe they turned the cells so they are set in vertical. 20700 and 21700 cells would be 5mm longer so you would need 5mm spacing between the batteries and 2.5mm on the outsides of the two batteries unless they can cut out a good chunk of the battery shell. I guess we shall see when they release them. Curious as to how much space the 18x2 recip and circular saws have. I think a few guys have them on here.
While it wouldn't be ideal there's every possibility an adaptor or shoe could be offered that will offset the batteries to give a wider spacing. Based on the image I've attached but set up to fit current 18x2 tools.
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1 hour ago, ChrisK said:
Any chance there are pictures forthcoming? Maybe a timeframe on the release date?
If I find anything I'll be sure to post it but Makita are very secretive about new things/power source it seems. Personally I'd anticipate something earlier in the coming year.
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A friend told me that toolaholic let slip on his story that a 9ah battery is coming. Definitely wider. Possibly 21 or 20700 cells.
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1 minute ago, Makita_2233 said:
You've turned the thread into a dewalt fan boy thread. No one cares that you run 2 crews, 1 uses dewalt and the other makita. No one cares you do multi million jobs. No one cares you create wealth and support multiple families. What relevance does that have to the original post ?
People are sick of hearing about. What do you want a pat on the back or something ?
People contribute to this world daily like you do, but don't need to brag about it
Is it about the size of his flexvolt battery pack or his ego?
Either way, I bet that's not all he likes to stroke.
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17 minutes ago, Framer joe said:
.I realize you hate Dewalt it's tough on you Makita guys that Dewalt leads the pack in construction related cordless tools and batteries
Incorrect. I have plenty cordless DeWalt tools, I just choose not to be blinded by the marketing fan boy bull flame wars that go on in forums. If you want to move the goal posts that's fine but I'd rather compare apples to apples. Wait for Makita new batteries if you're going to put the flexvolt battery on a pedestal.
19 minutes ago, Framer joe said:both Dewalt and Milwaukee have claims and data proving their batteries run cooler then anyone else..(check it it online) I go buy that claim
This is where you fail. Milwaukee are well known as being thermally flawed on their 9ah packs.
20 minutes ago, Framer joe said:in my real world I can use a Makita battery for a while and hold it Feel the temp...then a Dewalt battery ....it's not rocket science...one feels hotter after the same use.
This isn't through heat dissipation, this is through heat build up (or lack of) due to high current draw. Perhaps the problem is not with the fact Makita allow a high current draw and inturn get hot but rather that DeWalt do not. The form factor and surface area is pretty much identical for both brands. Without extra surface area and a material that acts as a good conducter of heat, not one or the other will be any better.
23 minutes ago, Framer joe said:the tools get worked hard everyday...these are my observations everyday.......no disrespect to you at all,I enjoy learning everyday.
Have you ever considered that it isn't the brand, rather you and the guys using them?
Anyway that's me. If you want to educate yourself further on energy storage there's a wealth of information online.
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1 hour ago, Framer joe said:
First the dcb118 is fan cooled and yellow and you should tell Milwaukee that their battery runs as hot as a Makita because your science is as correct as "global warming."count on it.......then tell Dewalts engineers they are wrong because a cell is a cell and then "AVE" boltre all that heat disappated foil and extra copper used is all BS......cmon sir , you know not all batteries are created equal right ?
It's only taken what, 6/7 years for them to think now's perhaps the time for a can cooled charger when batteries approach the 6ah mark.
As for this running hot nonsense, I'll bare it in mind. Plastic is an insulator. You can fill it with as much copper foil as you like. I've attached a few images for you to study at your convenience. Ironically out of the three the DeWalt has the smallest (if at all) over load, over discharge and thermal protection circuit.
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Armature most likely. Remove the Brushes, take a multimeter if you have one and stick them in the brush holder openings so you make contact at 180deg points with the commutator. Measure resistance. If you see a sudden drop on any pair or 0 you have a short which is definitely a broken armature.
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5 hours ago, Framer joe said:
Gentlemen, because a company uses the same cell that another company uses has Absolutely Nothing to do with finished battery. I'm quite sure you know while 1 battery can run extremely hot (brand A) while a different battery can run much cooler with the exact same cells (brand Dewalt) not only battery WH but the motor of the tool and voltage none of which i know much about. ........and...mr @HiltiWpg..I'm quite sure if your drilling cement and metal your using the BEST company for that , HILTI..not Makita .........some of Makita 18v batteries don't work in some other 18v tools, as in not compatible.and many don't even have charge status lights.. If Makita works for you awesome, I'm only stating what I actually see. I have a Makita compressor (MAC5200) from 25 years ago that still works awesome and a rotary hammer (HR3851) that I still use to break frozen ground so I can install Sono tubes for deck footings......so I love those those Makita tools, not bashing...I think the batteries are a different subject...
Dewalt don't even use air cooled chargers.
The colour of the tool won't alter the science of the cell so believe me when I say a DeWalt battery at its core will be no cooler than any other under the same load.
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Just now, Ned said:
Very limited stock and Makita does not provide any info about restock them since August. I have had chad with several Makita distributors including FastFix one of the biggest official Makita retailer. This isn`t looking like they can`t produce quantities but more likely clearing old stock before new releases. But that is just my guess.
They were released in the UK Q4 last year. They're not currently old stock. Even with new batteries coming, the current batteries will have to be continued to support 18x2 tools that haven't been designed to accept batteries with a wider body.
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5 minutes ago, Jronman said:
@SchenzhenSpecial Would the tool be tied to the phone or tied to the account? If it is tied to an account, you could essentially log into the app from any device and should be able to unlock your tool.
It's tied to the BPS device which in turn is controlled by the phone/computer. You can control the BPS device with any other device but it is that which would remain unique to the batteries; or at least that's my understanding.
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1 minute ago, Ned said:
Quite right said
Today at Screwfix Live tools fair (UK) I have asked Makita reps about when shall we expect a new batteries to become available and they said not this Year.
They Makita did not have any 6Ah at the show neither could you order from them as they direct you to retailers having some stock. 6ah batteries have been released in a limited numbers this summer in UK but no any more supply from Makita since August and nobody knows why.
Which may me thinking that they (Makita) had stopped this batch as they are with 18650 sells, while Metabo and Bosch (here in EU) have already moved to 20700 and very recently to 21700, and now try to sell as mach as they could before new batteries come to the shelfs. I hope we will see the new batteries before the end of the Year. Either 20700 or 21700 will be quite upgrade over present well served for me for many Years 18650s.
No, they'll still be available, makita just couldn't produce them fast enough for the UK market. http://www.makitauk.com/accessories/batteries/li-ion/197422-4-battery-bl1860b-18v-li-ion.html
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On 24/08/2017 at 4:35 AM, Jronman said:
not sure about this. I would've thought it would make more sense to allow the battery to connect to the app with bluetooth?
Encryption wouldn't work well. It's easy to lose or break a cell phone as you tend to throw them about and use them all the time. Once that unique encryption key is gone your battery is useless. Having a dedicated single device will have a central point with a lower risk of failure.
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New batteries are coming, it's just a case of when. I'd expect to see them on the JPN and AUS markets before anywhere else however. Rumours of 21700 cells being implemented.
21 hours ago, Framer joe said:Your not using a Makita battery ..All day Everyday...,they don't last
If makita don't last then none of them last; every brand use one of three cells, samsung, sony or LG.
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Future Makita Batteries and the illusive 6ah
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Based on what?