With a coupon, or a price match, I'm almost always able to buy what I want new at a decent discount. The savings on the refurbs have never really been substantial enough to entice me. I do like to save a buck, but I'm a contractor, so it's a business expense, anyway. With everything made in China nowadays, my prefered method is stalking older quality stuff that's up on Craigs cheap, just avoiding the beat looking stuff. 'Course, I'm talking corded tools, there.