albert.amantea

I just ordered one of these myself from woodpeckers! Thanks for cool info... 30 bucks is cheap! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-T217A using Tapatalk

Yep. Of course.. Framers only think in 1/8ths if they're good, 1/4's if they're not!

Yeah we kinda left that behind a while ago!

Imperial has decimals also. And I use them when I want precision and accuracy. In order to gain simplicity, something has to give. In almost every case, the tradeoff is accuracy. There is a huge difference between accuracy and precision. They are NOT the same thing, even though the terms are sometimes used interchangeably. (a pet peeve of mine) Let me illustrate this for you... Let's say I am shooting a gun, firing 3 rounds 200 yards/meters down range at a bullseye target. If I completely missed the target, but all 3 rounds hit with 1 inch/cm of each other, my precision is spot on, but my accuracy is worthless. If all 3 rounds hit the target, but miss the bullseye and spread out by 6 inches /cm, my accuracy is much better, but my precision is worthless. All 3 hitting the bullseye on the target within a 1 inch/cm spread would be both accurate and precise. In other words, accuracy is accomplishing the goal intended... Precision is doing something that is repeatable and reproducible. Now, back to the discussion... Your statement of imperial standards being outdated I think is a generalization. As long as you and I are human and physical beings, I don't think it's outdated. All measurements either taken or given are relative and dynamic anyway. The standard of measurement is only a reference. The part either fits or it doesn't, and I actually try to measure with rulers or tapes as little as possible. I find it quicker, more precise, and more accurate, to use the physical piece to cut to fit instead of trying to hit a mark on a tape. Anyone who does woodworking or a construction related industry for a living probably does as well. Science based industry, machinists, engineering, etc., however, rely on measurements for their precision. They mostly will work in decimal notation, whether imperial or metric based, due to the precision required for their products to function and live long, happy lives. In our industry, that level of precision and accuracy just isn't required. Wood is a constantly changing material. It moves in 3 dimensions, and is quite forgiving of inaccuracies in measurements (to a point). If a table is 6 feet long or 2 meters long doesn't make a difference to those who enjoy sitting at and eating on it. In fact, you could have a 6ft long table, with a 1 meter leaf in the center, and it would still work. (of course, it would matter if one side of the leaf had dowels at 3 cm and the table had them at 3 inches, but I digress.) You also stated that the standard doesn't make it a good scale for measurement, but I submit that it does. Everyone has a finger, knuckle, elbow, etc, and it only takes a few seconds to determine the comparison for the standards chosen. Either could be used. Whether or not it is subjective or objective, it is all most certainly relative.

Well, thank you! I do agree that the foot measurement is likely way off, but that result was from Wikipedia and Google. While not perfect, they are generally correct, which is why I included the Google reference in my post. I also agree that it truly doesn't matter which system is used as long as the accuracy of the measurement is within the needed tolerance of the design. As stated, I use both on a daily basis and even mix the two within the same project quite often. My issue with the previous post was that imperial was an arbitrary system, which is quite simply not true. It goes back to a time before metric, before even rulers and tape measures were common place. The inch measure was simply the length of the index finger from the tip to the first knuckle. If you Christian, you may remember the term "cubit" from the story of Noah's Ark. This measurement was likely the distance from the elbow to the tip of the pinky finger. My belief is that the foot measurement was probably the distance from the elbow to the wrist, but I have no proof or reliable science to back that up. It just makes since to me. The "yard" measurement is said to be from tip of the nose to the outstretched middle finger, but I believe it is the length of an average human walking stride. The historical aspect of this debate is very interesting to me, but it really doesn't matter which one is used.

Holy shit! That's awesome! If you need to pare that down, I could use a few! [emoji12] [emoji1] [emoji2]

Thanks guys! Any more suggestions?

I disagree... A foot is 12" because that is the length of an average man's foot. (Google it!) There is nothing random or arbitrary about imperial measurements. Each fraction size is exactly one half of the size above it. Working with fractions is very simple and accurate. As simple as metric if you know how. Want to know what half of 3/8 is? Keep the top number the same, and double the lower number... 3/16... Simple. Wanna get all the numbers the same? Also easy... Just remember that imperial uses half... 1/2 is the same as 8/16, which is the same as 4/8. Not that difficult... And the tape has the marks already on it. Metric is simple to you because it doesn't require thought. That doesn't make it more accurate. In fact, it can make it less so. Celsius makes no sense... Why base 0 degrees at the freezing point of water? Don't things get colder than that? Because it's easy for the masses. Doesn't make it better or more accurate. (neither does Fahrenheit, but Kelvin does) Imperial is based on the measurements of the human body, not a scientific length like metric. It is much more natural for man to use imperial, we just have gotten away from it because we've been told that metric is better. I use both on a daily basis. Not because one is better than the other, but simply because I have tools based on both that require me to think in both at the same time. I do this as a choice because the quality of the tools is at level required, not the accuracy of the measurements. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-T217A using Tapatalk

I wondered about that as well. I thought about the 300,but I didn't want it to be too tall either. Maybe time for a rethink Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-T217A using Tapatalk

No problem at all. Just remember, he's still there with ya... Just waiting for you to join him...

Yeah... Autocorrect got me (stupid android)... Good catch. Edit made...

Ok, I'm getting really close to pulling the trigger on a Tough system setup. I'm thinking of starting with a ds450, the extra large one with wheels attached, a ds400, a ds150, the storage organizer, and the tough system radio. I plan on putting my tools from my 5 piece kit(drill, impact, recip, circ, flashlight) along with my 20v omt, and 20v jigsaw in the 450 (if they all fit). In the 400 I'm planning on storing other tools (hammer, bags, squares, etc.) In the 150 I wanna put all my batteries (2 4ah, 2 3ah, 2 1.5ah, and a 1.3ah) and a dcb101 charger. The top section of the 150 will house bits and accessories for the drills and drivers, the omt, jigsaw, pencils, pens, etc. The organizer will hold misc screws, nails, etc. My query is this: is there any thing that y'all see I'm missing out on here that you find useful or can't live without in a tough system setup? I do plan on eventually getting a DS cart to make things more accessible, and repurposing the 450 for other tools. What am I missing, if anything?

Haven't seen this mentioned but if anyone cares, the size of the cell is actually the part number... 18650 is 18mm diameter x 65mm length 20700 is 20mm x 70mm 18650 cells are truly at their limit at 3000mah. The heat generated at high amp discharge just burns them up and shortens the life. 20700 cells have lots of headroom at 3000mah, and are on par to hit close to 5000mah at the ceiling before its all done. However, with the efficiency of the tools going up so quickly, I don't necessarily think there will be a strong need for batteries above 6ah sizes. Yeah, it can be done, but the tool becomes so heavy and unweilding at that point, I don't want to have to carry and use the darn thing. Just give me a few 4ah or 5ah batteries, and a better, quicker charger (maybe a dual input voltage of 12/120 volts with a 30 minute charge time for 5ah batteries).. Or contact charging like bosch or even maybe a tough system charger powered by a massive battery pack enough to charge say 5 or 6 5ah batteries With a setup like that, I'd run circles around anyone with a 9ah setup.

Yep. I agree as well. My Jets are my go to clamps over my Bessey's... I especially like the quick release ratchet lever on them for making a quick adjustment. They stay put when engaged, but release easily.

Looks like just another gimmick to me.

Oh yeah... I must be getting old... At least I remembered it from somewhere... [emoji16]

So, how big is "a bite"? [emoji16] [emoji16] [emoji16] [emoji16] [emoji16] I agree with your statement though. For some reason, the world outside the USA and Canada (some parts) has accepted that the metric system is much more precise (it's not) and easier (maybe if you never used fractions).... The metric system has only the equivalent of the 1/16" (mm) but misses out completely when you move down to a 1/32" or a 1/64"... I personally can't find the precision in metric for the work that I want to do or the signature I want to leave... When I need true precision, I will go decimal with my measurements, but a 1/64" or 1/32" is plenty accurate for most woodworking and fine furniture projects.

The difference between a garage sale and an estate sale... A garage sale is where you sell the stuff you no longer want, need, or have room for... An estate sale is where your family sells the stuff you cared about so much, you kept it til you died...

I just checked this on Amazon... 3 reviews total with the first in 2012,through 2014... 2 decent marks, and 1 sarcastic comment. Oh yeah... And it runs around 15 to 16 dollars US.

Pretty cool idea, but I wonder how long the plastic will hold up on a job site. Also, most framing sites are basically a mud wrestling pit. It would be interesting to see how it stands up to that as well...

Oh yes it does! And it goes everywhere! I have a similar version of this by shop vac... I hate having to drag it off the shelf...

OK... I remember that episode of snl!

Ahem, yeah... It'll likely throw a tooth by then anyway... Love Diablo blades. I use them all the time. The only thing I hate is the Carbide is so brittle on them even just hitting a knot in hardwood is enough to chip a tooth or two...

I have 4 older Hargraves (48") that were given to me (free!) by a very good friend. (he's a better friend now! [emoji16]) I would not ever trade them for anything, nor will I sell them. I will keep (and use) them until I can't do it any longer, then pass them on to the next lucky soul...

Awesome work on the balloons... And being a former public servant, like Chris, I also went to the dark side of the latex issue... Especially if you consider the first photo he posted! [emoji16] [emoji16] [emoji16] God, I love TIA... Such a great group of friends here... And always good for a laugh!