KnarlyCarl Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Electricians and whoever else... whats wrong with this picture? Makes me roll my eyes and shake my head.We are in an exremely lenient county for permits and inspect, which is nice because they can be a hassle and cost a little extra. But the picture above represents one of many reasons why inspections should be required.This garage addition I took the pic in does not require inspections of any kind, no building, hvac, plumbing or electrical. Luckily they got someone in there that knew what they were doing with hvac and plumbing to do it correctly ( the company I work for)Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboS1ice Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Im no electrician, shouldn't the wire be solid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboS1ice Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 And is the black and red wired in reverse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondo1310 Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Mind blown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiltiWpg Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Is that #6 feeding a 200a? Awesome. Nice bonding.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboS1ice Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Now I really don't know what I'm looking at lol my electrical knowledge is very basic, not 200 Amps worth lolJimboSent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnarlyCarl Posted February 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Is that #6 feeding a 200a? Awesome. Nice bonding.Sent from my iPad using TapatalkYes my thoughts exactly. I think the homeowners and/or friends did that panel, we were there for the hvac and plumbing and saw that there. I don't believe that is grounded properly either, since there is no wire going directly to a ground rodSent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnarlyCarl Posted February 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Now I really don't know what I'm looking at lol my electrical knowledge is very basic, not 200 Amps worth lolJimboSent from my iPad using TapatalkOh ok I thought with your electrical tools you have you might know. I only know electrical tidbits from what I picked up working alongside electricians on the same job as I was. Yeah I believe 200 amp panel needs 4/0 wire not that little thing in the pic. I suppose they could have a 60 amp panel would be betterSent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboS1ice Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Oh ok I thought with your electrical tools you have you might know. I only know electrical tidbits from what I picked up working alongside electricians on the same job as I was. Yeah I believe 200 amp panel needs 4/0 wire not that little thing in the pic. I suppose they could have a 60 amp panel would be betterSent from my SCH-I535 using TapatalkIve added 15 or 20 amp circuits but nothing like that, dropping a line for a new ceiling fan or addition is a little different than that lol.JimboSent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tb93 Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 If it's a subpanel its is boarder line legal as long as the feeder breaker is sized to the feeder wire, also assuming this is a sub panel then the neutral and ground cannot be bonded and need separated, all that said why use 200 amp panel? Not a fan of it, but I'm not an electrician by trade so I could be missing something way more obvious.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnarlyCarl Posted February 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Ive added 15 or 20 amp circuits but nothing like that, dropping a line for a new ceiling fan or addition is a little different than that lol.JimboSent from my iPad using TapatalkSame here, we can run our own electric power for a furnace or a/c unit or whatever, again with the jurisdiction we're in nobody cares what we do lol. Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tb93 Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 In this application the 200 amp breaker is only a panel disconnect, the protection would be at the supply breakerSent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnarlyCarl Posted February 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 In this application the 200 amp breaker is only a panel disconnect, the protection would be at the supply breakerSent from my iPad using TapatalkOk sure I see. I guess I dont know where it feeds from, didn't check that. If it feeds from a 60a in a main panel at least it won't have a chance at melting the wires, but it's still not done right?Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiltiWpg Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 In this application the 200 amp breaker is only a panel disconnect, the protection would be at the supply breakerSent from my iPad using TapatalkIt's a 200a rated tub and breaker. How do you know what the supply is? If that didn't make you say "wtf" to yourself then...Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stercorarius Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 If it's an add-on, as was said previously, i'm pretty sure it would be a violation of code to bond nuetral to ground at a sub panel. That's not too big of a deal though. The people who did this may have actually done it safely and just tried to save some coin, but it doesn't look like it. From what I can tell that looks like #6 or #8 wire. I'll go ahead and give them the benefit of the doubt. This is fine as long as the breaker that feeds this panel on the main panel is rated for no more than 50 amps regardless of what the sub panel main breaker is. If it's rated for more, then you have problems. I get the feeling that it is rated for more though just because the panel looks like it has enough circuits on it to draw more than 50 amps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 The only electrical I do is lights switches and outlets 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WigWagWorkshop Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 The only electrical I do is lights switches and outletsYup, me too - In fact, I am needing to add a 220v circuit to the workshop, so I will be calling someone in to do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comp56 Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 all I know about electrical is you can't put white with black damn it...... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnarlyCarl Posted February 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Thought I would share a few pictures from on the roof when I put in the drain vent. Exposed nails everywhere, I told the homeowner there is no excuse for this, I hope he can get that taken care of. An Amish crew did the construction and roof, they are giving themselves a bad name lately, this isn't the first time I've been to a place they screwed up on. Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboS1ice Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Wait nails go all the way in?JimboSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboS1ice Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Well you know what they say Comp, once you go black, ohhhhh you never go back! I thought it was once you go red everything else is dead?JimboSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboS1ice Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Yea them nails look too long to be roofing nailsJimboSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stercorarius Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 They could be roofing nails, they could be ring shanks though but those are more expensive so I'm guessing they just used hammers and bent them. You just really need to be glad they didn't use 3 tab shingles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millerzconstruction Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Thought I would share a few pictures from on the roof when I put in the drain vent. Exposed nails everywhere, I told the homeowner there is no excuse for this, I hope he can get that taken care of. An Amish crew did the construction and roof, they are giving themselves a bad name lately, this isn't the first time I've been to a place they screwed up on. Sent from my SCH-I535 using TapatalkHahaha. Oh man. This is a great one. I think that this is the best ice seen. It takes the cake. I guess it doesn't rain there so not worried about leaks. They may have nailed back through the deal if it hasn't leaked. I can't wait to show someone this. I'm going to show my wife. Even she'll get what's wrong with this pic. LolMillerz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Argyropoulos Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Yep. Depending on the breaker feeding this panel, the wire size may be fine, but the ground and neutral definitely shouldn't be connected here. The neutral needs a floating bar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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