dwain
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I disagree with this. When you're comparing things that weigh less than 5 lbs, even a 1 lb difference is noticeable, and adds up at the end of the day. Maybe that opinion comes from being 30 lbs less than most guys on the job site but I think most trades would agree the less you carry the better.
1 pound isn't insignificant. Using the M12 4Ah battery would erode a little of this difference.
But the grip and weighting of a drill are just as important to user comfort as weight. Slimmer handles require less squeezing to hold the drill, and balanced weighting avoids putting 'torque' on the hand (due to front-heaviness).
The M18 drills don't need to have the battery pack inside the handle, making them MUCH more comfortable in the hand (to me at least). Combine this with negligible difference in length (M12 FUEL is a tad longer), and the power advantage of the M18 compact, and I take the M18 for most scenarios.
Still, there's no doubting the M12 FUEL Drill kicks some serious ass.
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I think the comparison being suggested is the m12 fuel vs the m18 (non-Fuel). It has to be pretty close. The downside is the advantage of m12 lineup is the size and the m12 fuel drill with an XC battery isn't much of a weight savings over an m18 non-fuel drill.
Yes I realised that, i was just trying to choose a larger power discrepancy to illustrate that point.
I personally guess that the M12 FUEL would win a runtime test against an M18 brushed compact with 2Ah battery, regardless of the test. But i bet it would get real close with a 3Ah battery on the M18 with a high-torque test.
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One interesting fact beyond the torque and bpm is the speed. Both top out at 1700 rpm.
But that is no-load speed. The second you put a load on the tool, the speed decreases, according to how much horsepower it has.
A 4Ah 12V battery contains 48 Watt Hours of power. A 2Ah 18V contains 36 Watt Hours. So the M12 should contain more 'gas' overall, as well as its efficiency gains from a brushless motor.
However, the task also matters. The M18 FUEL has SO MUCH more power than the M12 FUEL, it is advantaged in high-torque tests. In small diameter holes or screws, the smaller drills are advantaged.
(For reference your energy bill is usually charged per kilo (1000) Watt hours, about 25c in Australia)
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Sorry for that then
just sharing my opinions on the list ^^It wasn't a criticism
Sometimes lots of replies or big replies put people off from engaging (like me) 
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I'm surprised this hasn't got more traction? Maybe korn and I derailed it a bit early?
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It will spank the pants off your dewalt!! Haha
I think the Dewalt is the best brushed saw around. Pretty powerful and very user friendly. I'm not sure a 'spanking' would take place, but definitely a touch-up.
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That truly is a lot of screws, and there is no way you did over 2 thousands screws with 2 batteries, more like 4 would be accuratte I think lol. I really don't know my screw gauges,
What authority are you basing your opinion on? He just did the test didn't he?
The Dewalt DCD790 put in 1700 small diameter (but unpiloted) screws on a single 2Ah battery. -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCOyC7Jqn10
James used 12Ah of juice to put in his larger (but most likely pilot holed) screws...
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Have you ever had snow before Dwain?
Not in the areas I've lived, no. There are some town in the alpine regions that get occasional snow.
My solar hot water panel failed on Saturday night due to cold weather / frost. Dammit.
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Its almost the same size, people shouldn't worry about a few centimeters if its an inch difference than I can see
sorry to be a picky bastard, but 3 centimers is longer than an inch. An inch is ~2.54cm
I agree with your sentiment, an inch is a fair difference in the length of a drill..
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Nice review! I l love this tool and will be buying it shortly.
It won't keep up with the latest Makita, but will do pretty well against anything else on the market...
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Ha, no snow where I live fortunately. Our higher mountains tend to get some snowfall in winter, but the ski resorts have to produce snow to compliment it. There's about 5 of them within 3 hours drive.
Its certainly been chilly, temp range has been 5-12 deg Celsius most days (41 - 54 Fahrenheit).
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Haha, you just made fun of Dewalts miter saw
what about Makita 18V brushed, or Ryobi or Milwaukee or Metabo's? Methinks you've got black and yellow blinkers on...
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very sweet. Kornomaniac is going to very very excited. NER too...
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The XDT09 is amazing, the best by a mile.
I'm not sure what the difference is between XDT06 and XDT01, but whichever is the same as the DTD145, is just a good as the Milwaukee FUEL or Dewalt BL.
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Most people don't need a HT Wrench, I sold mine. If a compact wrench can remove your lug nuts, why would you need something bigger, heavier and 3-5 x more powerful?
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Wow, interesting. I was looking into Makita and Milwaukee but I'll take a look at the rest of Bosch's lineup
I believe that TIA video was a sponsored one by Bosch? But either way, its a cool tool. I'm about to buy one...
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What, there is a hyrid Bosch tool that I wasn't aware of. Oh my gosh, somebody has got to link me to that tool somewhere's. Not that I am going to buy a Bosch tool however, just curious about what makes up that things specs and stuff.
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been out for a while in Aus, been seriously contemplating grabbing this. Love my 240V Bosch ROS...
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this is the answer, get both!
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my son loves to drill and I think all kids love tape measures.
I set him up with a 5mm drill bit in my impact driver and let him go to town on a 4x4 scrap piece...
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Its abit longer. Its 1.9 kg against makita's 1.7
The European version at least does nog feature the different power settings. Maybe USA one does ?
Now 250 or 280 . i do not think you will be able to deel the difference really. But it doesnt really stand out in anything compared to Milwaukee/Makita Models so i would put it 1 point below the Makita/Milwaukee.
And now i see what you mean with the batteries. With metabo you looked at the newer lihd of course ! Those get a 5. Other Brands a 4. Lack of indicator makes it 3. Harsh but i see your point
With regard to the 280 vs 250, I guess I'm just waiting to see if there is ANY real difference. Bosch can be a bit conservative with their numbers, and there are many ways to test torque. If it much behind them, I'll drop it to 4.
Even without the LiHD batteries, the Metabo 5.2Ah batts just go forever (as seen in our hammer drill comparison).
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That's the purpose of this thread!
I think that disagreeing without getting upset at one another is one of the hallmarks of mature relationship.I agree, the docking of one point for the battery indicator is fair, bringing them back to 3. I think none of the main four brands can be level with the Metabo batteries though, which got a 5.
OK I'm sold on the compact drill, I'll bump it up to 4 in my next update. FYI, your totally mislead about the Bosch compact. It has so much low-end torque, it out-performed the Dewalt DCD790. It's plastic chuck is just so nice and sturdy (though I'd love a metal one), I'm dissapointed to hear it has trigger problems. I still like the Bosch brushed version better than the brushless, I'm about to buy it. Specs can be misleading.
Regarding the recip, I just re-found this comparison, so I'm also convinced to go with you on this. I'll also bump the Dewalt up one. http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/saws/18-volt-cordless-recip-saws-tool-test_o.aspx
Bosch Wrench. Have you compared the new models? I haven't played with one yet, but it does appear to be longer (though about the same weight). It has the three LED lighting too. I assume that its 250 Nm will actually be pretty close to the 280Nm of Makita / Milwaukee, but I need to hear/see a comparison. What do you reckon? Not sure why I had the Dewalt wrench at 5, I'll be pegging that back to 3.
Thanks!
just sharing my opinions on the list ^^
Random Thought: M12 Fuel = M18?
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certainly not, but that's a different class. more weight, more size, more power.