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Thanks for the info Dwain. I'll definitely pick up a few compact batteries then before they get discontinued. I'm glad you told me.
Btw Dwain I was watching your awesome hammer drill video recently and started looking into the Metabo. Apart from the clutch button being on top where most ppl will hold their hammer drill, I've read that the trigger has a slow start function that takes some getting used to, the grip is pretty bulky and the LED doesn't stay on even when the trigger is no longer pressed (vs Dewalt, Milwaukee, Makita). Did you notice these things too? I haven't been able to find a LTX on display yet to see for myself.
Thanks for the props
I don't recall the Metabo being slow to start, as you can tell, it's going to beat most competitors to the end of the hole, which is what counts i reckon
The grip is beautiful, not bulky at all. There's no drill more comfortable in existence to my knowledge. The LED comes on just by nearby vibrations sometimes, its kinda advanced, and we never spent time figuring it out exactly (maybe download the manual and have a read).
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From memory the internals were not identical, make sure you check the parts diagrams....
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And to make it more compact as my go to drill, I can always get a 2.0 battery. Wonder if that would reduce the torque and by how much? The Fuel 1 goes from 725 to 650 from using 3.0 to 2.0 batteries.
The torque reduction will likely be larger with FUEL 2, as the current output of the 2.0Ah batts is still the limiting factor.
At the 2015 Aus Symposium, I found out that Milwaukee are discontinuing the slim batts, not sure if this is worldwide or just here. They said they cost as much to make as 3.0's, and so are not worth continuing. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Hi Dwain,
Great extensive testing and video. Really thought it was thorough and comprehensive. I called Metabo and the technical rep said that the SB18 LT was more suitable for the weekend warrior. Plus I'm finding the LTX pretty hard to find. Was wondering if you had a chance to handle the SB18 LT? Unlike the LTX, it doesn't come with many features and its made in PRC (China).
Sorry silversurfer, I've not had the chance.
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One of you overseas guys can buy me the 1/2 drive kit and send it to me. I'll even let you keep the charger.
Gotta love the thought of an 8 pound tool hanging off of a belt clip, though...
Feel free to send me a PM when it's available in Australia, though the postage would likely kill the prospect...
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I think weight and balance will be the challenge for all battery nailers....
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What Jason said ^^^
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I dont have them, it was in a Makita training/service centre,
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now for a BL recipro and werd all set
I have also seen pictures and heard about a BL recip which rivals the FUEL, and an 18x2 which is quite superior. But that is from a Makita perspective ...
Still, very promising!
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I have it from Makita's mouth today that the nut-busting torque is 1700Nm!
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Thanks Eric & Nalu. It was a very long upload, but about 3 minutes to edit, so much easier overall
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I forgot to mention this here on TIA, where people are most interested in such things!
If you've got 35 minutes, enjoy!
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^^^ That is a significant problem, M80.
And yet as DarynH says, if a wrench has higher reverse torque than tightening torque I want to know about it, it's a legitimate feature of the tool.
Having a high reverse torque than tightening torque makes sense. You wouldn't want a wrench to put bolts in that it couldn't remove, and it also helps with rusted bolts etc...
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I still don't get it. That IR article basically validated nut-busting torque as a real thing:
“Nut-busting” torque refers to the tool’s ability to remove a bolt that has been tightened down using methods other than the tool itself. For the “nut-busting” torque, a bolt is tightened with a torque wrench calibrated to 1100 ft-lbs, then removed with the tool being tested.
If a wrench can remove a bolt torqued by a torque wrench to 1600Nm, but can only tighten a bolt to 1000Nm, isn't that a product feature? Or am I missing something?
And how can the 'nut-busting torque' and 'removal torque' be different?
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"Nut busting" torque is usually measured as what you can torque a bolt to and still break it free with the tool..
Either you're crazy, or the manufacturer specs are, because that makes no sense.
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For tightening torque - looks like the 3/4" JUST beats the FUEL, and the 1/2" easily beats the FUEL. Sweet!!!
http://www.milwaukeetools.com.au/power-tools/cordless/m18-fuel/show/m18chiwf34-502c
http://www.milwaukeetools.com.au/power-tools/cordless/m18-fuel/show/m18chiwp12-502c
But the HT Wrenches often have a much higher nut-busting (removal) torque. I wonder if the Makita will too?
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Crikey!
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link doesn't work for me, but that would certainly improve a weak point in their line! Wonder if that's only its tightening torque (similar to Dewalt) and will have a high nut-busting torque? The leaders currently have ~1600Nm
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Whilst I kept one platform (Bosch), I changed my larger platform from Dewalt to Milwaukee. But that was triggered by a dead circular saw.
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nobody forgets about the dtd148 around here, its all anybody's been talking about for the last couple of months, so many comparisons! It really is one of the best tools of the last year...
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to be honest yes i was focusing on there strenghs but makitas only weak points (tools) i would say is there recip saw and maybe there cordless impact wrench i know milwaukee crushes them on those 2 tools but i cant really think about any other weak points oh.and maybe fuel gauges but they fixed that.now
The battery gauges sure help! And you're right, with the BL grinder and circ saw Makita have brought their lineup right back to the top with Milwaukee. I would also add that they don't match the compact drills of the other top brands, which is probably my most used tool.
I have Makita & Milwaukee pretty much tied at the moment (on my comparison spreadsheet).
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of course, i was just debating also. but you were picking out only Makita's strengths whilst not mentioning their weaknesses
for instance if someone uses a cordless recip saw all day, they would do well to avoid Makita, and probably should go Milwaukee. Whereas if a grinder is your most important, then Makita, Milwaukee or Metabo would all be worth a good look.
Yes I think the FUEL 6.5" is a touch better than Makita's, but they're both amazing. Its not what I would base my platform choice on.
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makita is definitely top dog
not only is that debatable, but its very dependent on what tools are most important to each particular person and/or trade.
I made this spreadsheet a while back to help people determine (by the numbers) which platform is best suited to you
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Sorry, finally got around to uploading this in a permanent location (google drive)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TDD_cT69RhJZb4bbJcR8WDiiFG_BztxTvBAwId4oxSA
Updated some default scores too, I haven't reviewed much Metabo, but they seem to have a habit of being best in class!
Fuel 1 or Fuel 2?
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we haven't actualy received it yet, and have been unable to review the HT Wrench we already have. Should be a month or so away i guess.