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Finally a video of them both compared. Only a single size screw is driven though. Dewalt beats them all.

What ope can we expect? Updates to the current models or new tools altogether?

Another one: https://www.protoolreviews.com/tools/power/cordless/saws-cordless/metabo-18v-compact-reciprocating-saw/35271/

Bosch ps22 12V brushless hex driver (already had the Makita).

The ps22 has arrived already. Wow, I can't believe how light it is! Seriously surprised me. The brushed 12V drill felt a lot heavier than this (from memory). It is a bit top heavy which I expected, and the LED kinda sucks. It's been a while since I've held a Bosch 12V so I have to get used to the fat grip again. This thing is impressive though. The usual Bosch high quality feel and smooth running. Definitely the lightest power tool I own now. I'd really like to know what the Makita 12V hex driver is like. If you remove the chuck from the subcompact, that's how short it is.

Thanks @The.Handyman thats a great idea. Nicely done. You've created the ultimate 12V tool.

@XTsallaD thanks for the photos. The Gen 2 fuel looks HUGE compared to the Bosch. I'm surprised it's still that much bigger actually! The Gen 1 must be monstrous. I really like the Bosch 18V in the photo (DDS183?). If I didn't have a Dewalt DCD796 I'd be aiming for one of those for sure. Looking forward to the ps22. I use the subcompact Makita now, but I don't need all that power for driving. I rarely go beyond 10 on the clutch. 12V will be perfect.

I've registered a few tools with Dewalt Australia but I think the website is buggy or the database of tools needs updating. I inputted the date codes and model numbers, and it let me get all the way through the registration, but it looks like the tools aren't actually recognised models and no images appear. I also got a "thank you for registering your new Flexvolt 56V grinder" email, but I registered a 20V die grinder.

I considered using a drill holster, but I don't always have a belt on and sometimes I just like to pick it up and go. I've recently ordered the brushless Bosch ps22 hex driver (below). I do a lot of small screws, putting up blinds etc. It's probably perfect for the TV jobs @BMack37. It's only 0.98Kg (2.1lbs) with battery! Super compact. There's a couple of nice photos in an old for sale post by @ChrisK here: I'd love to see Milwaukee bring something like this out in Gen 2 form. I never used to see the value of having a hex driver. It just seems so convenient now.

Yep, the Bosch is a 3/8 chuck. Good idea @BMack37, it would be great to have a compact M12 option available as well. I chose Bosch 12V over M12 largely because of the size. If the Gen 2 was out at the time, it would have been harder to chose, but it was a simple choice with the HUGE Gen 1. I ended up selling my brushed ps31 Bosch 12V drill purely because it didn't have a belt clip and couldn't really stand on the battery. I replaced it with a Makita subcompact. I really should have just glued a piece of perspex to the bottom of the battery so it could stand (which would avoid having the extra weight of the flat bottom 4ah battery). Maybe I'll look into the brushless ps32 Bosch 12V drill now that the Makita is playing up. I was really hoping the Gen 2 M12 would "feel" more like a compact than it probably does. I won't write it off yet though, until I see it in person somewhere.

Great to hear some real feedback about the weight @XTsallaD. I suspected it was going to be kinda heavy (for a 12V). I've seen one review where they compared the M12 drill to the brushed Bosch 12V flexiclick drill. They kept stating how the M12 is more powerful and more compact (length) but seemed to miss mentioning the weight. Nothing seems to beat Bosch 12V in weight (I've owned the ps31 drill driver and have a ps22 on its way).

Interesting it's not a triple hammer either. I thought this year we'd see a flood of them from all the brands. Not that it needs to be. I agree with the comments on torque and rpm. I have a td170, and as a DIY user I may have gotten the wrong tool. It's almost too fast and too powerful, I only use the lowest 2 settings. I probably would have been better off getting the subcompact impact driver. Great tools though. Made in Japan quality (this one anyway)!

Here's a review: https://opereviews.com/hand-tools/metabo-compact-cordless-reciprocating-saw/

Some I've seen look quite different to genuine chargers but this Milwaukee one looks almost identical in every way (except the sticker). The box attempt is kind of amusing

There's been discussion about aftermarket/replacement batteries, what about chargers? Anyone using one? There's one for every brand on Ebay.

Yeah sorry about the metric, I was in a hurry and couldn't provide both units. A good thing about Metabo is they always state after weight "(incl battery)". Its not perfect because they don't say what battery exactly; could be compact 2ah, 5.2ah, 7ah LiHD, who knows. I usually assume it's the battery shown in the photo.

I'm thinking of selling my faulty Makita subcompact 18V drill and buying into M12 for the new Gen 2 drill (and bonus to have the dual charger for future M18 purchases). There's no way I want the drill to be heavier than the Makita, it's role is light duty. The size looks great but I read it's weight is 1.4Kg! The Dewalt DCD796 18V hammer drill is only 1.6Kg with battery and the subcompact 18V Makita with battery is 1.3Kg. Are Milwaukee weight specs usually including battery weight? I hope I've read a figure that includes the large 6.0ah 6 cell battery. Still, that's heavy. Weight has pretty much been the only thing that has kept me away from buying Milwaukee. I can't recall ever seeing one of their cordless tools being the lightest in comparisons. Hopefully someone can shed some light on this, the Gen 2 looks great otherwise. Edit: I just read on coptool it is 1.27kg including battery.

Thanks, good info. I didn't consider it from that perspective.

You can't really compare a dremel to a string trimmer. The mass of the dremel head is minuscule compared to a trimmer (much less force and momentum in its rotation). Manufacturers should quote torque specs for trimmers. Strange they don't.

9,700 RPM for the string trimmer, that's in gas territory! No other cordless, even Ego, goes over 6,500-7,000 RPM.

Outstanding quality. Now to save up some cash for the 250mm/10" version.

I really don't know why the single port DCB118 yellow charger does not charge 12V batteries. Let me know if I'm wrong on this. This 4 port looks great.

Nice, I've saved a copy. I don't know why, but my phone is full of tool photos, at least 300 now.