Hugh Jass Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 11 hours ago, Framer joe said: I want to see this list again with the 9ah. Total of 18ah vs 36ah with upgraded cells should push run-time about 2.5x as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisK Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 12 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said: I want to see this list again with the 9ah. Total of 18ah vs 36ah with upgraded cells should push run-time about 2.5x as much. Ha. Who needs a generator with four of them plugged in? I could power the house for a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 Just now, ChrisK said: Ha. Who needs a generator with four of them plugged in? I could power the house for a while The argument is very compelling honestly. Though not cheaper than a small good quality, quiet generator (Honda 2000 for instance), there's no exhaust, no fuel outside of changing batteries, and no motor noise. You won't be saving any money by outfitting the Dewalt with 9's but it's superior in every other way. Now if only the chargers weren't shit I'd own it already. Only thing holding me back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisK Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 I hear you. My Makita dual port is awesome though the new quick chargers with the flexvolt seem to be pretty decent though I just started using them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 The new rapid charger is honestly going to be my entry into the flexvolt market. I'm actually more excited by that than the tool lineup as goofy as that sounds. One charger can replace 3 in my trailer, and that's a very valuable thing. Once I've outfitted my trailer's battery bank with these things, maybe 3 of them, I'll not need anymore chargers at all. I'm actually thinking about growing my feet of 2ah batteries since the charge times will be so damn fast on the rapid charger I'd never be wanting. If not for the increase in power from some tools at higher AH it might not even be necessary to have anything bigger than a 2ah at all. More frequent changes but they'd charge faster than you could deplete them under normal circumstances. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremon Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 ^ plus if they make a new compact battery with 20700 the voltage drop on many 20v tools might be negligible. The only way it isn't superior to a little Honda is the Honda can be pure sine instead of modified like what I'm pretty sure the Dewalt gives you. Plus the Honda can go basically indefinitely for cheaper than buying more batteries. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisK Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said: The new rapid charger is honestly going to be my entry into the flexvolt market. I'm actually more excited by that than the tool lineup as goofy as that sounds. One charger can replace 3 in my trailer, and that's a very valuable thing. Once I've outfitted my trailer's battery bank with these things, maybe 3 of them, I'll not need anymore chargers at all. I'm actually thinking about growing my feet of 2ah batteries since the charge times will be so damn fast on the rapid charger I'd never be wanting. If not for the increase in power from some tools at higher AH it might not even be necessary to have anything bigger than a 2ah at all. More frequent changes but they'd charge faster than you could deplete them under normal circumstances. I never thought of it from the perspective before. Smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 I don't have it yet to test but I think the charge rate for 2.0ah on the rapid charger is something like less than 20min. With 3 chargers and 9 2.0ah batteries, you could cycle them all in 1 hour. Stagger the start times to every 5 minutes and you'd have a fresh battery available every 5 minutes of continuous charging. I'm not even sure the 20v grinder could kill a 2.0 in 5 minutes under normal use. It's nearly perpetual. I have 6 chargers and an assortment of batteries to keep up with demand if 2 people are running cordless at the same time all day. The cost to maintain this drops dramatically with the new charger, truly making it the most valuable thing on the entire lineup. Anyway this is off topic but just highlights how the charging ports on the power station are so inferior it's hardly even worth the functionality. I'll wait for a 2nd version to arrive and see what improvements they might make, though I'd expect it's years down the pipeline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 16 minutes ago, Bremon said: ^ plus if they make a new compact battery with 20700 the voltage drop on many 20v tools might be negligible. If that were the case I'd be forgetting about big batteries all together and stick with 2/3's in upgraded form factor. It's not worth the weight, bulk, and waiting for charge times to justify saying I didn't have to take 60 seconds to change a battery out today. Reliability through redundancy. There's no sense in it for 90% of the lineup. And for the other 10%, I'd be going straight to flexvolt to fill that gap with the likes of grinder, chipping hammer, chainsaw, and such. In a few years we'll have 12ah and beyond for that big stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Framer joe Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 Ya ..power station charge time bites....I only use 2ah on 16g finish gun,lasts all day. If your framing or building decks as i do...you must have min 4.0 but for the same size and weight I use 5.0...hundreds of deck screws and timberlocks...you cant keep changing out 2.0 battires ...plus remember if your cycling through 2.0 batteries that often you will kill the battery...you only get so many charges on a battery...so at that rate your battery is dead in a year.......higher ah means more runtime and less charges ,thus extending battery life......plus far more production..which equals $$$... my 2cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Framer joe Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 As far as cost...I have a Honda eu2000.pure sine..love it..I paid 825.,,it can run my Dewalt 200psi small compressor alll day on 1 gal.....but the power station (modified sine) could have been bought on sale for 331$,,,2pack Flexvolt 179-(25 discount..154)....so for a power station and 4flexvolt 6ah...total 639$ no tax free shipping ...I think that's a good deal and when 2packs of 20v/9ah go on sale that's going to be impressive runtime for most anything...no gas..no fumes........but I haven't pull the trigger yet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Framer joe said: Ya ..power station charge time bites....I only use 2ah on 16g finish gun,lasts all day. If your framing or building decks as i do...you must have min 4.0 but for the same size and weight I use 5.0...hundreds of deck screws and timberlocks...you cant keep changing out 2.0 battires ...plus remember if your cycling through 2.0 batteries that often you will kill the battery...you only get so many charges on a battery...so at that rate your battery is dead in a year.......higher ah means more runtime and less charges ,thus extending battery life......plus far more production..which equals $$$... my 2cents Frankly if you're running hundreds of screws and are even thinking about production, you're doing it wrong. Get yourself a Senco auto-feed screw-gun (lots of systems available but this one is dirt cheap) designed for standing instillation. You're killing yourself for peanuts man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Framer joe Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 ah,thanks I appreciate the comment,but that doesn't work...first,there is no screw gun for cortex screws...it's a screw and plug system for composite (azek) decking,,,must be done by hand drilling or impacts..also screw guns do not work well for exterior applications on large decks,pressure treated wood ,oak,teague,,ipe,,varies in thickness and density..and are more expensive for the screws and they break a lot...( 30 yrs experience) screw guns are made for underllayment on the interior..or sheet rock.. also screw guns cannot even come close to penetrating 5/4 ipe (impossible...1" Brazilian hardwood,commonly used ) that install is done by countersinking and predrilling then screwing ......l appreciate your input,but if there was a quicker or more cost effective way ,I hope I'd know about it,( I read every trade magazine there is and joined forums to learn more about upcoming tools) I build multimillion dollar homes with huge custom decks everyday..360 days a year,for over 30 years..... ........I use impacts,drills and impact wrenches everyday(along with every framing tool ) a small powerful impact (dcf877) drill (dcd791 ) or my fuel m18 set work perfect for deck building ...I hope they come out with a smaller more powerful version soon and smaller more powerful batteries.(probably not)......A typical day of building decks uses::: . 6/ Flexvolt 6ah (2 mitresaw,3 circ saw,1table saw) . 16/ 20v max 5ah ( 3 for 1drill,3 for 1impact,2 for 1 jigsaw ,1 impact wrench, 1 oscillator,1 sawzall,1 planer,2/2framing guns,1/hanger gun) and finish gun..more for lights...it's a massive expensive cordless system ...but still so much better then bringing a gas can ,oil,generator,compressor ,400ft hoses,400 ft cords..winter pneumatic oil,dry gas,etc......you can a 2 pack of 5ah new on eBay for 65$ sometimes..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboS1ice Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 That would be sweet to have for tail gating[emoji106][emoji106] Heck yea dude! How long does it run a deep fryer?Jimbosent from tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77Ford Posted January 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 As far as cost...I have a Honda eu2000.pure sine..love it..I paid 825.,,it can run my Dewalt 200psi small compressor alll day on 1 gal.....but the power station (modified sine) could have been bought on sale for 331$,,,2pack Flexvolt 179-(25 discount..154)....so for a power station and 4flexvolt 6ah...total 639$ no tax free shipping ...I think that's a good deal and when 2packs of 20v/9ah go on sale that's going to be impressive runtime for most anything...no gas..no fumes........but I haven't pull the trigger yetI had a dozen Flexvolt batteries already so when CPO hand the sale it was a no brainer for me 4 others loaded in the power source Tough Tool Reviews on Instragram 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Framer joe Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 You inspire me...that's bad ass.!!!!...I have 2 more at work on my mitre saw... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The.Handyman Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 You guys make me jealous. I need more power! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jronman Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 wow. how do you even use that much battery in one day @Framer joe? I struggle to use a 2.0 in one week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboS1ice Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Looks like a bunch of over sized 20v batteries! lol I kid I kid you can power a neighborhood with that Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisK Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 I'll be reaping the be if it's with the 60v in my framer. That thing eats through 4.0s! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRS5565 Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Damn I need more to keep up only have ten 6ah packs. Oh and why did you keep the red lids I threw those suckers right in the trash did I miss something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Framer joe Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 8 hours ago, Jronman said: wow. how do you even use that much battery in one day @Framer joe? I struggle to use a 2.0 in one week. Easily....gotta remember I do this for a living...screwing off decks eats up batteries...cutting pressure treated or oak and diagonal cuts eats batteries......the real world is not like videos of guys cutting dry,spruce 2x4s.....I love building homes and decks though....I do have over 20 fast charges in my tool shed and a few in my garage , so all batteries are charged at once,in about an hour...when I get home...I don't bring charges to work,I have enough batteries.....most guys are diy which is cool, easier on the wallet...but ...anyway . I do love tools any way, ..I'm so envious of Ricky penny and 77ford they are bad ass. tool deal guys.....thank you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy MSG Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 1 hour ago, jrs5565 said: Damn I need more to keep up only have ten 6ah packs. Oh and why did you keep the red lids I threw those suckers right in the trash did I miss something? Those "lids" are supposed to provide a positive disconnect for the the cells in FlexVolt batteries, because without them they become a hazard to ship. On my old 18 volt NICad batteries I used the red covers to tell which were charged and which were dead. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboS1ice Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 Damn I need more to keep up only have ten 6ah packs. Oh and why did you keep the red lids I threw those suckers right in the trash did I miss something? Nice for storage, also designed for shipping for it to "act" as smaller batteries as opposed to 1 big oneSent from my iPad using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordekyle Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 Nice for storage, also designed for shipping for it to "act" as smaller batteries as opposed to 1 big oneSent from my iPad using TapatalkThe might make a clever battery storage rack in a shop or van if you mounted them to a board Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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