JerryNY

Nice thanks, totally forgot I could make one of those.

It really is dependent on what you're cutting and how you're cutting it to see a real difference. I've compared the Diablo 24t(newest trackingpoint models) and 40t Diablo though on my Fuel 7-1/4" and my observations are as follows: The 24t cross cuts easier and quicker but it cuts smooth enough as it is that the 40t is not crazy smoother in soft wood like pine but the 40 does tear out less and it does have a bit smoother edge. For rips the 40t feels much more likely to bog down and burn the wood a bit. I ripped some hard maple and needed a really smooth cut with minimal tear out making a cut on a painted maple kitchen cabinet to custom fit a range top and the 40t needed to take its time and burned the edge a little which wasn't a huge deal at all because it was hidden but what I couldn't afford was any chips and it did a great job. I needed to rip down some 2x4x8's at some point and forgot I left the 40t blade on it and actually caused the the 5.0 battery on the fuel to kick into overheat protection and shut down 6ft down the board, never had that happen before. The 24t ripped MUCH easier in the same situation and didn't overheat the battery. The 40t was probably having trouble clearing the sawdust with the smaller gullets and more teeth. I think the fuel being brushless it will power through and not get too bogged down in most situations at the expense of more draw on the battery. In most cases you probably won't notice this but ripping long boards it is more likely to show itself. I've been looking into the world of circular saw blades because of some upcoming products and my new Fuel 10" miter and I do wonder how much marketing plays in all this blade tooth count because you have to consider a few things. Tooth count should be irrelevant because it really should be tooth per inch like a jig saw blade. The travel of the circumference of the blade and how many teeth cut through the material per inch of travel is really what matters. When you think about it a 7 1/4" saw blade has a circumference of about 22.75" which means a 40t and 24t blades will have 1.76 and 1.05 teeth per inch respectively. A fine finish 12" blade on a miter has a circumference of 37.7" and with 60t gives you about 1.59 teeth per inch, slightly worse than the 40t 7 1/4". Heck I have an ancient little Ryobi 5 3/8" with a Diablo 36t blade and on such a tiny circumference it has 2.13 teeth per inch and it does give a super clean cut. Now you even have these combination blades that have different configurations and less teeth that supposedly give great cuts so teeth count apparently isn't the end all be all.

I've heard good things about Makita blades and their gold impact bits seem to hold up better than most in my experience but Diablo/Freud makes blades in all different specs. You can get 10" blades with 5,7 and 10° hook angles if you want, some made specifically for sliding miters. I've never bought a Diablo miter blade until I got the Fuel miter but I love their thin kerf circular saw blades...

I just hope with that much dust all the guys on that crew wear good respirators with freshly swapped cartridges otherwise prematurely failing tools will be the least of their problems...

Ouch. I only paid $540 for my fuel miter... and it came with TWO and a rapid charger. Crazy. But you already have a super sweet 12"...

I figured it was only a matter of time before comp56 started arranging his "red" tools and batteries in compromising positions and posting photos on the web Also it's no shock you even have red tape at hand To add to the tool pron, here's my rapid charger with a 9.0 M18 and 6.0 M12 on it...so take that. It almost seems like too much power for one charger to handle

I have some crown painted maple trim made to match my kitchen cabinets. They charge a small fortune for these pieces so I want to do do the best I can with them. I just got a Fuel sliding miter and ordered a 60t Diablo blade, thinking the saw came with a 40t but it came with a decent if not amazing 60t. I was thinking of returning the 60t and going with a 80t Diablo. Is that overkill and should I stick with a 60t? Just keep the superior 60t Diablo? Will the 80t bog down a cordless miter? Freud seems to have some different options for 10" and even an upmarket series of blades like: LU74R010 Thin Kerf Ultimate Cut-Off Saw Blade 80t blade LU91R010 Thin Kerf Sliding Compound Miter Saw Blade 60t professional model Freud 10 In. 80 Tooth Ultimate Plywood and Melamine Cutting Saw Blade with 5/8 In. Arbor (LU80R010) (Maybe a good choice for cutting pre-painted wood?) So many options. Also any tips on cutting pre-painted maple trim? I don't want to buy more of this stuff and make super expensive fire wood

The light is doing conversion internally, you don't magically convert 120v ac to 18vdc. The very low amp draw of an led light is easier than a high amp tool also. The Flexvolt uses 120v ac to 120v dc but many reviewers state that they felt the saw is more powerful off the batteries than the mains, probably because they use capacitors to smooth out the line voltage and you often don't have 120v exactly out of your wall socket. A Milwaukee fuel miter would need to convert 120v ac for a high amp 18v motor which is doable but it isn't as simple as plugging in an extension cord.

I almost bought the Dewalt 7 1/4" but I needed a little bigger for some medium sized crown I plan on doing. I pretty much decided that I wanted a saw that was cordless and had a shadow line LED system if possible. The Dewalt flexvolt is really nice but I don't really need a 12" and the bulk associated with it along with another battery platform that I really didn't want. The rumors and then the early reveal for the Fuel made me wait and I'm glad I did. It's a great middle sized saw that can do 98% of what you need while staying on the lighter side and with two 9.0Ah batteries and a fast charger it's a good deal IMHO.

Yeah it is the Rapid charger that does one M12 or one M18 sequentially. FYI any m18 battery with a lightning bolt on top has full fast charge compatibility and will charge much quicker on a fast charger. I think every M18 from 5.0 and up but I'm not sure if older ones have been revised but if they have the lighting logo they will charge faster:

Yeah no doubt it would be nice but not quite as simple to do as on Dewalt's flexvolt. They made it 120v for a reason. In theory you could make an adapter for any cordless tool but I think Dewalt made the Flexvolt a 2x60v = 120 setup so it essentially is a custom add on for the saw and the saw only, they don't want you getting any ideas to try to use it on any other tools, and eliminates inefficiencies etc. If Milwaukee, or any other cordless tool maker for that matter, wants to they can make a converter that simply clicks into the tools battery slot. The problem is companies make so much on the batteries hey don't want to. The flexvolt miter could hurt battery sales for dewalt but then again they will make up for it because those that want to will have to buy two packs at a time to use it cordlessly...

Also the Fuel is 45lbs vs the Flex's 56lbs and the M18 9.0 battery is only slightly heavier at around 2.4 lbs than the felxvlolt 6.0 at 2.3 lbs but you need two which puts the Flexvolt well over 60 and the Fuel is still well under 50 with the 9 on it.

Says on the rapid charger 12V ~4.5A & 18V~6A. The problem with Dewalt's, and other dual battery chargers for dual battery tools, is charging two high capacity lithium ion batteries on one charger is the pretty high amp draw on the circuit. They probably didn't want to push it with the 10+amps on a charger plugged into you outlet. It's one thing to have circular saws, miter saws or other tools tripping the breaker but to have a charger trip the breaker might be a bridge too far.

Maybe but I paid $540 with two 9.0 batteries for the Fuel miter and the 9.0 battery is currently $169 on HD and currently the largest flexvolt is only 6Ah and is $149 singly. I haven't seen pricing of a two pack of 9's. Those costs aside you don't have to buy any batteries at all for the Fuel if you already are on the M18 platform. The Flexvolt saw requires two identical flexvolt batteries to function. It's not so much that two batteries is draconian on a tool it's just an annoyance that you have to tie up two batteries and they'd better both be the same charge level. That and the dual charger for the Flexvolt seems very slow, one reviewer said it took over 2-1/2 hours to charge the pair. The Milwaukee you could throw a 5.0 on the saw if you only have one 9 or just rotate them if you have a pair. To rotate batteries on a flexvolt miter you have to do it with four batteries. It's just inconvenient and you have to lug around more stuff; not the end of the world but annoying.

Both 9.0's that came with my saw were on one bar out of the box and while I was waiting for them to charge I was using a 5.0 I had on hand. I didn't time it but they charged way faster than I expected so the rapid charger does seem to do a great job on the 9's.

All very true but then why not just buy the corded Dewalt saw and forgo the flexvolt altogether? The Flexvolt Miter requires two expensive limited lifespan batteries to work off the cord so you might as well save money. In the end the Fuel and Flexvolt are in different classes. The Fuel is smaller lighter 10" which prob is better if you need a portable miter to work, maybe up a ladder, off battery exclusively all day on one battery that probably can handle 98% of the jobs you'd need a miter saw for. The Flexvolt is a full sized saw that offers flexibility to be on battery or mains but you get a heavier more bulky saw, but it's worth it if you need the full sized for sure. It all depends on what you need.

Yeah I was beginning to think I took a crazy pill and was imagining the rep saying an adapter would be available but I found the manual over on Milwaukee's site; https://documents.milwaukeetool.com/54-06-2360.pdf The red section lists the new part 31-01-1586 needed for the light to use the 9er...

I have to agree with Glass that the cam lock could be tighter. The detents are strong but if you are between a detent and knock it it can slip so I might try to tighten it down a bit more. The saw seems amazing light for how well built it is. I needed to get my car in the garage so I unlocked the saw from my stand and was able to put the saw on a shelf about four and a half feet off the ground easily. I don't think any other saw with this kind of capacity would be as easy to throw up on a shelf. The dust collection is so-so but I haven't tried hooking up a vac to the port on back. The stock 60t blade is pretty decent but I'm considering getting an 80t for some prepainted maple crown for my kitchen cabs.

I can't find the video, it might have been on periscope, but I think it was even Dan talking to a Milwaukee rep who said they were making an adapter for the one light that the 9Ah didn't fit into. I don't even have that floodlight but I remember being surprised they said there would be an adapter. Maybe they decided against making one?

At one of the Milwaukee events I remember reps saying the 9.0 battery would work on all tools except that light and an adapter would be made available to let the battery work with the light.

Yeah it's just a dumb ole' brushed motor right? No shut off and it'll just run too the windings fall off. Still though 30 minutes plus on that vac is amazing on one battery Did the battery itself get hot though ?

Didn't they say they were making an adapter available to let that one LED light work with the 9.0?

Even though Milwaukee said the 9.0 fit every tool but that floodlight that needed an adapter I was a little concerned about the M18 vac because of the way the battery sits entirely enclosed in the unit. It's one of my favorite Milwaukee products and I'm happy to report the 9.0 fits just fine probably because they had it setup to use both M18 and the older battery platform it had the extra space. If there was ever a tool that needed more runtime it's this little vac so the 9.0 actually will be a nice upgrade for it:

The stand is nice. It's a little on the heavy side but seems very sturdy. It's super easy to deploy and the roller extensions have a pretty good span. I have to say that even with limited use today the shadow line light works really really well. Overall the saw is nice and lightweight, easy to adjust and easy to use. The pair of 9 Ah batteries are BIG lol too.

Nice. It was fun setting it up. For some reason I thought it was coming with a 40t blade but it came with 60t. I'm trying to decide if I should return the 60t diablo and get an 80t diablo and keep the standard Milwaukee blade, which seems decent enough, for less important stuff.