JerryNY

The 10% code was a one time use personalized code for HD credit card users. Yeah the problem with the flexvolt miter is that in order to use it as a cordless you must use two batteries so if you want to rotate that's four identically charged batteries in the rotation at all times. That ain't cheap. Also the Milwaukee seems to get much better runtime on batteries and you can get two 9 amp batteries in the special with the kit and use any m18 battery in a pinch if you need to, but with two niners you prob could cut all day long and not even need the second battery. Don't get me wrong, the Dewalt looks like a nice miter if you want/need a 12" and want the flexibility of a cordless/corded operation but as a cordless it seems to have a few drawbacks like to use it as a dedicated cordless saw with extra batteries you're looking at nearly $1k outlay. It might be a personal pet peeve of mine too but I kinda dislike dual battery setups. In theory they are ok but having to keep dual batteries for one tool means they prob should have just made one larger higher powered pack because you're gonna dedicate some packs to that tool anyway. That's just me though...

This kind of thing has been going on A LOT longer than that. While IBM's billing and leasing arrangements for their old heavy iron mainframe business was complicated they used to have models that were the same across a wide range of the high end market, think super expensive to crazy super expensive, and the only upgrade between some tiers was a technician showing up on site to cut a resistor. Essentially it was like throwing a jumper on a modern computer and you got way more performance. I think on some machines it actually enabled idle CPU's or even removed CPU loops that sapped performance artificially. The crazy thing was they would even tell the techs to waste time all day and look like they were doing something useful because they didn't want customers to "feel ripped off" that all the tech did was show up for five minutes and snip a wire

Yeah it's really about simplicity. I really hate major platform shifts where they have certain one way compatibles that will end up annoying people down the road where you can use the new battery on an old tool but your old one won't work with the new tool etc. Sure eventually everyone will be on the new stuff but the old stuff always lingers for a long time. Heck Dewalt just released the lithium battery adapter for their old Nicad packs not too long ago! I just ordered the Fuel miter deal with 2x9Ah batteries for $540, 10% off coupon on HD, and while I prob won't use those big packs on my impact it's nice to know all my tools and lights and vac will freely use the same batteries and the miter can use the smaller packs in a pinch even if I never need to. I don't have to remember the rules for certain conpatobilities and can grab any tool and any pack without thinking. There is nothing wrong with flexvolt and I can see why Dewalt did what they did to maintain some sort of compatibility but like it or not it is a new platform and that alway brings some pain along with it. I also think they like the fact that they can label a pack 6 amp for example, the 20v setting, and avoid mentioning it's only 2.0 amp at 60v. They want their cake and eat it too...

Yeah, I already wanted to grab a rapid charger too so it seems like a good deal to get that and a couple of 9 Ah batteries. Kinda funny but those two battery's combined 18Ah of juice are more than all current M18 and M12 capacity combined

The saw is up on HD's site for preorder now. I had a 10% coupon for my HD CC so I got it for $540 and picked up a 60t diablo blade and the Milwaukee miter stand while I was at it. $540 with two 9amp batteries is pretty good in my book.

Worksipaddict measured for deflection, I think just angled Though and not beveled and didn't see any deflection:

I think that's their pricing strategy. Price at the higher end of the mass produced tool market to give them a more premium presence and a healthy margin cushion which affords them the ability to do bundles or throw ins to sweeten the deal.

Oh totally but having a big ass 9 thrown in makes it a pretty decent deal.

Just a heads up - HD updated the page to show it DOES INCLUDE TWO 9 Ah batteries! They mention it in the text and a photos showing the extra battery included. $599 with the quick charger and 2x9Ah make it one of the better bargains now in Milwaukee's product lineup and makes it far more competitive with the flexvolt. Two 9ers means you can go all day nonstop with this saw. You figure the 9Ah kit with charger is $250 and another standalone 9Ah is $200. It's like getting the saw for $150

Dewalt only makes the flexvolt in 12" right. It's listed on Home Depot at 73.33 lbs. It does like a great 12" and battery or mains makes for a versatile tool but the 10" Fuel seems like a great portable saw with just one battery to lug around and significantly lighter to boot.

The flexvolt has two batteries and and the mains adapter too so it's probably closer to 70 lbs full up.

So $250 and $199 are the Canadian prices for the 9aH and 6aH batteries respectively?

Yeah it's been gone for almost a week I think. They either jumped the gun or needed to revise it and put up actual photos.

Well it's a 12" saw so I'd expect it would most likely be heavier than the 10" Milwaukee...

Yeah I almost didn't notice it because of the photos but the caption said m18 fuel and the description is all the fuel too. I think it's pretty preliminary because there appears to be some typos or possible inaccuracies, it says two batteries in the specs. That would be cool for $699 and TWO 9 amp batts but I'm not holding my breath that that's not a mistake...

The photos are sill of the old corded model but the specs are the M18 model so hopefully this means the saw will be for sale soon... http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-M18-18-Volt-FUEL-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Brushless-10-in-Dual-Bevel-Sliding-Compound-Miter-Saw-Kit-2734-21HDP/207114512 Also it lists $699 as the kit price. It would suck if they decided to raise the price a bit but who knows.

Sure, it would have been better for Milwaukee to have released the miter months ago and not let Dewalt steal their thunder. Still I don't have a need for a 12" saw and the 10" suits me just fine. That and you can get the miter/9amp battery/quick charger for $650 makes it a decent value in my book when the battery alone is $200...

13oz isn't that bad for being about twice the battery of a 5amp pack though. It's bigger and heavier for sure but many of the big tools it's designed for that won't be that noticeable, especially the miter. BTW when the hell is Milwaukee gonna shut up and take my money for the miter?!?!

Well I'm pretty sure if Ventrac told Dan he could have a fully loaded tractor for free if he dumped Eric there'd be a fresh shallow grave by Dan's fire pit the next day...?

Lol. Yeah it was so weird her saying "spaaaarky channel" like she was a bad girl needing to get out of that pit. Also Dan and Eric have raised the non-review tool review to an art form of tools they seem to know nothing about. They have a pretty unique and entertaining schtick going for them ?

Lol, at least he dropped his old intro with the woman saying "sparky channel" in a weirdly sexualized voice. The voiceover and effects looked like something from an early 80's public access channel run by cheap technologically inept hookers

Yeah. People want different things. Eneloops are awesome, been using them for years in other electronic devices. I wasn't putting down your flashlight choice, just pointing out that your quoted lumens is really spec sheet engineering that has almost no practical use with runtimes of only a few minutes (probably bad for heat generation too). I like the fact, and I suspect many others here do as well, that I can use idle tool battery packs for a household thing like a flashlight and always have charged packs at the ready and not have to deal with swapping cells, Enloops or otherwise. I hate fiddling with individual cells and tend to avoid things where there is an alternative to have a lithium pack that slaps on while one is in the charger. It's a personal choice, it doesn't negate your choice. Heck they make flashlights that cost a fortune that are awesome but that doesn't mean they are meant for everyone either. I like the M12 flashlight and it gives me hours of runtime and has an easy swap battery pack ( underrated in an emergency IMHO). It feels pretty nice in hand, has a slick beam adjustment mechanism and has excellent CRI, probably far superior to many many lights out there. The bluish cast of many cool white LED's gets annoying, especially after you get used to a light with a better color output. I'm an LED snob admittedly. I've spent THOUSANDS of $$$ on LED light fixtures over the years for marine reef tanks and know more than I probably should about the LED industry lol. Those two LED fixtures cost $750 each and draw 130w (actual output not compared to incandescent) each through TIR lenses. Their output and versatility put my Milwaukee M12 light and your flashlight to shame but they make terrible handheld flashlights ?

Yeah I think it's physically impossible to make it as thin or nearly as thin as the battery that has to go into the handle. This is one of the reasons stick pack batteries are becoming less and less prevalent with slide on packs becoming the norm, even in 12v tools. If the battery has to slide up in the handle you can only make it so small. The compact round batteries do have an advantage though in that they still have a round barrel shape for things like this where a slide on pack would dictate you'd never get a cylindrical form favor. It's also a bit of an illusion how much bigger the handle gets, I think they made it about as thin as they possibly could. I find it pretty comfortable to hold and it has a nice quality feel and weight without being too heavy which is really all that matters to me.

That's a super nice light but totally not a comparable light. That's purely a compact long throw flashlight. The 980 lumens is for a crazy short runtime though. 0.05h and you're swapping out 4xAA's!!! That's THREE MINUTES (it'll take you longer to swap batteries)! No thank you, that would get tiring fast, even the high setting of 550L at just over an hour and a half would be annoying. To do the AA shuffle... Turbo: 980 lumens / .05h High: 550 lumens / 1.7h Mid: 220 lumens / 4h Low: 30 lumens / 31h The m12 gets 5 hours at 800 lumens albeit with a 4.0 battery but that's still almost two hours with a compact 1.5Ah battery and when it's run dry you can swap it out in all of five seconds. That and you even will have the option of slim 3.0 packs and 6.0 larger packs which would give about 7.5+ hours at full brightness.

There are only two reviews on HD, one not so great and one good. I think there're still a specialty class of tool right now but for $99 it doesn't look to be too bad. It seems like if you value noise reduction over ultimate torque and grunt it's worthwhile if not you'll stick to a regular impact driver. Usually the first iteration of a new tech gets trounced by a more mature competing tech which has gone through many generations of refinement anyway.