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Psssst... 20V Max is actually 18v. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I was playing with the DMR200 the other day. It's actually quite big. It's small enough to be portable, but it really isn't that much smaller or lighter than the DMR108. I love the idea of the cell phone compartment on the back, but they vented the little door and notched it for a cord. Seems odd not to make it dust proof. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

That thing is a monster... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Are you actually suggesting that torque is a bogus spec? I would love to hear which method you use to quantify rotational force. Since that's exactly what torque is. Or are you suggesting that it's bogus to measure the very thing you buy a tool for? (Output power) Regardless of what is happening inside the tool, torque is the measure of the rotational output power. Period. Whether you use higher rpm, higher voltage, higher IPM, etc. the tool is measured by its ability to do work. Hydraulic pressure may have advantages at lower rpms and we know the primary design dramatically reduces acoustics, but you cannot change physics. Spreading out lower torque over longer periods of time will not increase its torque. It just spreads it out over longer periods of time. The torque stays the same. Punching an object or shoving an object require exactly the same force to overcome a set resistance, time is irrelevant unless you require more work to be done in a shorter period of time. Whether you punch or shove, it's still all about the turning force. That's torque. "Torque, moment, or moment of force (see the terminology below) is the tendency of a force to rotate an object about an axis,[1] fulcrum, or pivot. Just as a force is a push or a pull, a torque can be thought of as a twist to an object. Mathematically, torque is defined as the cross product of the vector by which the force's application point is offset relative to the fixed suspension point (distance vector) and the force vector, which tends to produce rotation. Loosely speaking, torque is a measure of the turning force on an object such as a bolt or a flywheel. For example, pushing or pulling the handle of a wrench connected to a nut or bolt produces a torque (turning force) that loosens or tightens the nut or bolt. "Torque is defined mathematically as the rate of change of angular momentum of an object. The definition of torque states that one or both of the angular velocity or the moment of inertia of an object are changing. Moment is the general term used for the tendency of one or more applied forces to rotate an object about an axis, but not necessarily to change the angular momentum of the object (the concept which is called torque in physics).[4] For example, a rotational force applied to a shaft causing acceleration, such as a drill bit accelerating from rest, results in a moment called a torque. By contrast, a lateral force on a beam produces a moment (called a bending moment), but since the angular momentum of the beam is not changing, this bending moment is not called a torque. Similarly with any force couple on an object that has no change to its angular momentum, such moment is also not called a torque." Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I am looking at the DTD154. The mode for cam out doesn't benefit me. Other than that they appear identical in dimensions, IPM, RPM, and torque. I think the yankee version is the XDT14. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

That's what I was eluding to earlier. The shape seems awkward. Bulking it out only to fill the void with plastic seems odd. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This was the one I was referring to. The 18v doesn't seem any worse especially considering its $99. The dual trigger 1 hand / 2 hand operations are pretty sweet. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Yes! I love my Hilti Laser level. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

The trouble with Hilti, they have a too few tools. They have the worst lineup and limited selection. I would love to see a mini recip saw, a jigsaw, radio, a multitool, etc... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Careful! My Hilti impact destroys my old M18 fuel, and the SF10W18A drill is a monster. The recip saw is good (I think it's a rebranded makita), the angle grinder is awesome, the circular saw is extremely well built. The hammer drill and dust extractor are ridiculous. I had the Fuel 1" prior, and although the rated impact energy is a little higher than the Hilti, it wasn't as good. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Not cool...not cool... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Too bad you couldn't get the Makita in there! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Good idea, but impractical. Speed is important. Dragging that thing out for pipe would be a pain. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Organic free range gluten free impact. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The overall torque is lower. Torque is the measure of rotational power. Whether it's lower IPM and higher Impact force or Higher with lower force, the torque is the output. Regardless of what is happening inside, the ability to fasten or loosen is lower. 450 In-lbs is not anywhere near the same as 1400+ in-lbs.

Except at 450in-lbs, it's not as functional. It's essentially turning an impact into a 1/4 drill driver, which already exists. Most drivers are clutched giving them more control over torque than a 3 speed. Like me I said, I don't get it. If acoustics are an issue, there are solutions that seem just as viable.

I am just a lowly electrician, can someone please explain why the hell this is appealing? 450 in-lbs? Where would such low torque be a good thing? I see the the DTD170z and that makes sense to me, but oil impulse reasoning eludes me...

*tumbleweeds* sigh...

Gracias

Where to start??? Overbuilt is not quite the adjective I would use. Unless you mean weight. Then I agree. They are way too top/side heavy and the balance is terrible. While the Fuel drill features the only 1/2 chuck, it's a terrible chuck. Thankfully mine only has a slight wobble. The hammer portion barely hammers. I put a 3/16 1/4 hex bit in the impact and the hammer drill. You could barely tell the difference drilling anchors into cinderblock. The battery locking / plastic tabs is extremely cheap and clunky. They don't like being dropped. I find it too easy to lose a battery. The tools are loud. Far too loud for the size. They squeal, clack, grind etc. They don't sound like a premium tool. I expect it from the regular M12, just not the fuel. The M12 Fuel recip is sooooo damn heavy for something with such a short stroke length, and it is way louder than my full size 18v Hilti recip. M12 multi tool and rotary tool get thermo-nuclear hot after brief usage, and damn, they are loud and squealy. With all that, I do LOVE the following tools! M12 Bluetooth radio M12 3/8 ratchet M12 Fuel 3/8 Rotary Hammer - Best tool out of the whole M12 Lineup! M12 Jigsaw - great balance, feel and performance M12 180/360 degree lantern - my favorite light

Good stuff

I have always said if I ever switched platforms again, I would probably go back to Makita. That said, they sure are making it tempting. I love my Hilti tools, but I am ready to ditch my M12 Fuel stuff. Weight, balance and overall design/quality is making me rethink my service tool platform. The new CXT is shaping up to be a great 12v platform. The little Bluetooth speaker takes 12/18v packs, the little recip saw with dual trigger operation is amazing. Even without tool-less blade change, the 12v multi tool is also super tempting! If they come out with a decent light or two, I am pretty sure I would jump ship!

What sucks the most? Not getting any updates or feedback!

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