kanxrus Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 SANYO 3UR18650SAX-BDA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingobelle Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 Is this the same cells as in the nano battery pack? If not I asume that this batterypack can not take up to 2000 cycles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToolGeek Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 Dewalt is currently using three different manufactures for their batteries. DC9260 36v batteries use A123 Nano Phosphate Lithium batteries. DC9180 XRP batteries use A123 Nano Phosphate Lithium batteries. DC9181 Compact batteries use Sony Iron Phosphate Lithium batteries. DCB120 Compact batteries use Sanyo Lithium Metallic Oxide batteries. I'm not sure where Sanyo rates their batteries in terms of cycle life, like most oxides on the market I would presume 500-800 recharges. Cycle life varies greatly from one user to the next. It all depends on how you take care of your batteries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingobelle Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 I think I take good care of all my cordless Dewalt machines. Store them inside over night because it is freaking cold here in Sweden during winter and When the battery starts to slow down I recaharge them. Sometimes I let the battery to sitt in the charger over night. I understand if they use cheaper cells in the DCB120 batterypack because the DCF610 driver is actually not a heavyduty drill/driver like the DCD970 that use the DC9180 pack. However, I think the DCF610 is a wonderfull machine as long as you use it for the kind of work it is designed for wich means light work. I use it almost everyday and so far I´m very happy with it. Before I only had a DCD960 and even if it is a very nice and wellbalanced drill it is little to big for the very light kind of work like putting up a outlett and things like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanxrus Posted March 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 It will be interesting to see where the market goes, Sanyo has new ZT batteries coming out. Almost twice the m AH rating over the current SAX series used by Dewalt, and the energy density doubles. All in the same size cell. Milaukee and Ridgid are already using similar technology in the Red-Lithium and Hyper Lithium cells, only made by Samsung. Specs from Sanyo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingobelle Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 Very interesting. Would be nice if they upgrade the batterypack with this kind of cells. But maybee there is a backside we do not know. Guess the cost for the new cell must not be to much higher if they are going for a change. But who does not want a double runtime! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golden valley const. Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 No one's using a high capacity cell any time soon, even red lithium uses a 1.5 amp hour cell. There are 3.0+ amp hour cells out there, great for laptops and other things that don't require high current. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madtec Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 That is all based on cell chemistry, as the technology evolve you would see more higher Ah cells Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkfan23 Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 The possibility of upgrading the cells is very cool in my humble opinion! Double run time in the same or similar sized and weighted battery would absolutely ROCK!!! Very happy with my 12v MAX tools- screwdriver, drill and impact driver (plus free light, thank you DeWALT)!!! They are light weight and work very nicely. Keep up the good work- slide pack 12v was genius! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpond Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 Newbie here and I hope someone can answer a question for me. I notice that all of the 12V li-ion batteries that have been torn apart in the different reviews show (3) 18650 cells. These cells are 3.6V each for a total of 10.8V. How can they claim 12V? The only one that appears to be playing by the rules on this is the Rigid. It has the same 3 cells and claims 10.8. Thanks, Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanxrus Posted April 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 Bob, read up on this post http://dewaltownersgroup.com/index.php/topic,619.msg2201.html#msg2201 Post any follow up questions you might have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpond Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 Wow. I live in a sales/marketing world and I never heard of this. I guess nobody will drop a dime on the other because they all have the same amount to lose. Interesting though that Snap-on (my world not yours) does not do this. http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/catalog1.asp?tool=all&Cat_ID=121069&Cat_NAME=Power Tools, Cordless&store=snapon-store See this page if you are interested. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanxrus Posted April 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 Snap-On does not compete with the construction world. I doubt they care to follow any trends set over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Baron Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 It will be interesting to see where the market goes, Sanyo has new ZT batteries coming out. Almost twice the m AH rating over the current SAX series used by Dewalt, and the energy density doubles. All in the same size cell. Milaukee and Ridgid are already using similar technology in the Red-Lithium and Hyper Lithium cells, only made by Samsung. Specs from Sanyo. I think the maximum is currently A123System utensils, for discharge current and life cycles Sanyo UR18650ZT have the C = 2700mAh for a discharge current of 0.54 A which reduces to about "" "1800mah for discharge current of 5.4 A " "" " http://battery.sanyo.com/product/lithum-ion/pdf/01/UR18650ZT.pdf greetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooljoe Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 is this a ZT battery http://www.amazon.com/Li-ion-Cylindrical-2800mAh-Rechargeable-Battery/dp/B004JPSS1K/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1307460687&sr=8-3-fkmr1 if it is i may grab some and upgrade my pack to see if there is anything gained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanxrus Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 I didn't see a model #? Hard to say without a model#. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooljoe Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 i think this is the model # Model: 30041-0. (on the amazon webpage i clicked "See more technical details" and that's where i got the model number) i did a quick google and that led me to this page http://cgi.ebay.com/Li-Ion-SANYO-18650-3-7V-2-8Ah-2800mAh-Cell-30041-0-/330522127829#vi-desc and that page has a .pdf with specs for the battery wich is here http://www.all-battery.com/datasheet/30041-0_UR18650ZT.pdf and i noticed is says ZT there. thanks for the tip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanxrus Posted June 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Well this is the specific model 3UR18650SAX-BDA. If it does not say that specifically, then it's not going to be the same chemical makeup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Why is there 5 posts? Does this battery have the protective electronic like the DC9180? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golden valley const. Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 is this a ZT battery http://www.amazon.com/Li-ion-Cylindrical-2800mAh-Rechargeable-Battery/dp/B004JPSS1K/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1307460687&sr=8-3-fkmr1 if it is i may grab some and upgrade my pack to see if there is anything gained. It will not be an upgrade unless you want to drill 1/8" holes for a day. Cant supply high current. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooljoe Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 It will not be an upgrade unless you want to drill 1/8" holes for a day. Cant supply high current. I see what you are saying... I am new to understanding this technology. I read this the other day... and this... **Abundant variety of models meet wide variety of uses(UR18650 series) >F: High capacity with steady operating voltage model. >E: High current model for power applications. >Y and A: Cost performance and improved standard model by optimization of material. >L: Cost performance and robust model by optimization of material. >SA and W: Excellent power model for power tools by optimization of material and structure. >U: Long storage life and high current model. >ZT: Neo hybrid positive electrode enables higher charging voltage, which realizes further high capacity model. so I'm guessing these SAX batteries are already putting 20A draws continuous. Although, now that I think about it, what would those ZT batteries do for the longevity of the flash light that use this batt. Pack? From what I have noticed, my flash light dies faster than my drill... well, I work in dark places and use the flash light mostly continuously... i'm guessing the flashlight does not need high power but more of high capacity batteries. So what if I upgrade one pack with ZTs for the flashlight and A123 APR18650M1 for the drill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skajam Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 When deconstructing this battery did anyone check what the five contacts are for? I am actually going to use these for an outside project, and I am working on my design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiteWalker Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 A quick update: The newer dewalt DCB120 batteries are now 1.5ah and have the same cells (I think?) as the milwaukee red lithium/ridgid hyper (see pics). You can easily tell the new batteries from the old; the newer batteries have 1.5AH on the side battery labels now and the front of the batter has a yellow background with black dewalt logo. As for the cells, I couldn't find info on them but they look identical to the milwaukee red lithium cells except for a slight difference in the model numbers. Milwaukee uses the samsung INR18650-15M while the dewalt uses samsung INR18650-15B. Either way, I'm extremely satisfied with the dewalt 12 volt max tools I have (flashlight, drill/driver and screwdriver with the impact coming soon). I appreciate that dewalt is using some good cells in their batteries. Pics: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDClown Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Those new batts show 18Wh and the originals are 15.6Wh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkfan23 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Question: will these cells be making it into 20v batteries soon?? If Milwaukee is getting such a great experience with them, why wouldn't we put them in ours?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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