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Jronman    828
5 hours ago, BMack37 said:

 

Likely patented the way of disengaging the 60v connection or the way of mechanically switching between voltages. I think they'd issue those patents but you'd likely not be able to patent differential voltage in a battery...but I've heard of more asinine patents getting through. It also is probably limited to the power tool category, so if there is a different industry that could benefit from the tech it should be free game.

SawStop is a good example.

 

 

 

 

Also a 6.5 in miter saw? Seems odd to not just go with 7.25. I have never seen a 6.5 miter before.

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aabee    59

 

Hitachi's so far ahead in the impact driver category it isn't even funny. The Triple Hammer is already the best impact on the market and this one's even more powerful/faster (and it's still IP56 rated). 

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kornomaniac    466
1 minute ago, aabee said:

 

Hitachi's so far ahead in the impact driver category it isn't even funny. The Triple Hammer is already the best impact on the market and this one's even more powerful/faster (and it's still IP56 rated). 

 

There hasn't been any extensive comparison between Hitachi's tripple hammer impact and top models by Makita/DeWalt/hilti that I'm aware off. 

 

In June toolboxbuzz did a very extensive impact driver comparison but Hitachi did not want to enter their driver in the comparison. 

 

So your claim of ' so far ahead ' is based on.... ? Hitachi marketing?

 

The instagram reviewers ( with their limited testing, do not consider their quick video on thesame level as one of the big comparisons done by protocol reviews, toolboxbuzz or OZtooltalk ) put it somewhere at the same height as the Makita/DeWalt. Nothing special.

 

So rather interested what decent comparison/test/review I missed that shows the tripple hammer miles ahead of DeWalt/Makita/hilti that ' it isn't even funny '

 

:)

 

 

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joemontague    176
Just now, kornomaniac said:

 

There hasn't been any extensive comparison between Hitachi's tripple hammer impact and top models by Makita/DeWalt/hilti that I'm aware off. 

 

In June toolboxbuzz did a very extensive impact driver comparison but Hitachi did not want to enter their driver in the comparison. 

 

So your claim of ' so far ahead ' is based on.... ? Hitachi marketing?

 

The instagram reviewers ( with their limited testing, do not consider their quick video on thesame level as one of the big comparisons done by protocol reviews, toolboxbuzz or OZtooltalk ) put it somewhere at the same height as the Makita/DeWalt. Nothing special.

 

So rather interested what decent comparison/test/review I missed that shows the tripple hammer miles ahead of DeWalt/Makita/hilti that ' it isn't even funny '

 

:)

 

 

I have 3 triple  hammers  and 3 td170  and I like the td170 better  I have some videos  on Instragram  of the 2 head to  head  

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HiltiWpg    510

Marketing wank is marketing wank.
Calling something 20v when it is 18v like everyone else = marketing wank. Triple hammer, octo hammer or deca hammer, it doesn't matter. It produces torque.

Don't be fooled by marketing gimmicks or made up terms, otherwise you will wind up with Bluetooth hacksaws and 18v chalk lines.


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aabee    59
10 hours ago, kornomaniac said:

 

There hasn't been any extensive comparison between Hitachi's tripple hammer impact and top models by Makita/DeWalt/hilti that I'm aware off. 

 

In June toolboxbuzz did a very extensive impact driver comparison but Hitachi did not want to enter their driver in the comparison. 

 

So your claim of ' so far ahead ' is based on.... ? Hitachi marketing?

 

The instagram reviewers ( with their limited testing, do not consider their quick video on thesame level as one of the big comparisons done by protocol reviews, toolboxbuzz or OZtooltalk ) put it somewhere at the same height as the Makita/DeWalt. Nothing special.

 

So rather interested what decent comparison/test/review I missed that shows the tripple hammer miles ahead of DeWalt/Makita/hilti that ' it isn't even funny '

 

:)

 

 

 

 

The above video is Hitachi's impact driver from 2 generations ago, which ranked first in the latest and greatest from DeWalt, Makita, and Milwaukee. Hitachi improved on the best and oztooltalk has also called it the best impact they've used.

 

I've personally owned and/or used the Gen 2 Milwaukee and DeWalt, Makita's XDT12, Kobalt's 24v and Surge. The Triple Hammer's vibration is considerably less noticeable than the others and is the only IP56 rated tool of the whole lot. That's the basis for my opinion and not "marketing."

 

It also scored #1 in Real Tool Review's best tool of 2016.

 

https://www.mightypowertools.com/best-impact-driver-hitachi-wh18dbdl2/

Rated best impact driver over Makita's XDT12Z (which is my personal second-favorite impact; the Triple Hammer has greater torque and again, IP56 rated)

 

Stuart, the webmaster of Toolguyd who runs and reviews tools across all platforms and has done so for years, calls it the best impact he's ever used: http://toolguyd.com/top-tool-picks-5/

 

Just a few examples here.

 

But what do I know; these other people must all be beguiled by Hitachi's marketing too.

 

:)

 

 

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kornomaniac    466
10 hours ago, aabee said:

 

 

 

The above video is Hitachi's impact driver from 2 generations ago, which ranked first in the latest and greatest from DeWalt, Makita, and Milwaukee. Hitachi improved on the best and oztooltalk has also called it the best impact they've used.

 

I've personally owned and/or used the Gen 2 Milwaukee and DeWalt, Makita's XDT12, Kobalt's 24v and Surge. The Triple Hammer's vibration is considerably less noticeable than the others and is the only IP56 rated tool of the whole lot. That's the basis for my opinion and not "marketing."

 

It also scored #1 in Real Tool Review's best tool of 2016.

 

https://www.mightypowertools.com/best-impact-driver-hitachi-wh18dbdl2/

Rated best impact driver over Makita's XDT12Z (which is my personal second-favorite impact; the Triple Hammer has greater torque and again, IP56 rated)

 

Stuart, the webmaster of Toolguyd who runs and reviews tools across all platforms and has done so for years, calls it the best impact he's ever used: http://toolguyd.com/top-tool-picks-5/

 

Just a few examples here.

 

But what do I know; these other people must all be beguiled by Hitachi's marketing too.

 

:)

 

 

 

 

Hmm well i guess ill have to find a Hitachi store and try them out myself. 

 

Still no extensive comparison video available it seems. 

 

Real tool reviews and toolguyd are not really believable sourced :P I do not follow them anymore. 

 

Real tool reviews has been caught with false information/ fanboying for the brands that send him tools before on the forums. Not a source of good information. 

 

Toolguyd I stopped following because all his ' top 3 best impacts' etc... Are only based on tools he personally used. He explained it to me myself. It's not a top 3of all best impacts on the market. A personal top 3 of the impacts he used. So his comparisons are not extensive enough being limited to personal experience ( and thus being nothing more then personal opinions on limited selection of tools. Bigger then most people experience, but not representative as a whole ! )

 

The IP56 thing. In theory it's excellent of course ! Yet the IP rated Hitachi was one of the first to crap out from water/dust in tools in action torture tests.  Not that that was the most scientific test ever but it's pretty much the only test/review we have on the IP rating that the Hitachi failed.

 

It's a superb impact driver, I'm sure of that.  But ' so far ahead that it's funny' is taking it Abit too far.

 

With abit of luck either toolboxbuzz, protoolreviews or OZtooltalk ( thrustworthy sources in my opinion ) will do another impact comparison 2018 and maybe even take the Hitachi multivolt on a ride !!!!!

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kornomaniac    466
13 hours ago, joemontague said:

I have 3 triple  hammers  and 3 td170  and I like the td170 better  I have some videos  on Instragram  of the 2 head to  head  

Well is guess they're both great impacts. 

 

Why do you have 6 impacts ? :P lol

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kornomaniac    466
12 hours ago, HiltiWpg said:

Marketing wank is marketing wank.
Calling something 20v when it is 18v like everyone else = marketing wank. Triple hammer, octo hammer or deca hammer, it doesn't matter. It produces torque.

Don't be fooled by marketing gimmicks or made up terms, otherwise you will wind up with Bluetooth hacksaws and 18v chalk lines.


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Agreed.  Decent comparisons by thrustworthy sourced is what I believe. 

 

The Hitachi are also IP56 rated yet the Hitachi was one of the first to crap out from water and dust on tools in action torture test. ( Not the most scientific but the only test I ever seen that tests water and dust on the tools )

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Biggie    118

I'm not really disputing that the Hitachi is the top impact driver because I believe it is but after seeing some of these video I got curious and looked up some youtube videos.  There's one video showing a dcf887 (1825ft/lbs) getting spanked by a the triple hammer.  Then there's another video with a dcf895 (1500ft/lbs) getting beat but not any worse than the 887.  Now in my mind that doesn't make sense because I know from personal experience that the 887 has another level from the 895.    

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joemontague    176
18 hours ago, kornomaniac said:

Well is guess they're both great impacts. 

 

Why do you have 6 impacts ? :P lol

I have more than 6 lol

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joemontague    176
1 minute ago, kornomaniac said:

Lol :D

But yes they are both dream but makita is more refined 

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dwain    790

I've tested them against each other in a small way (triple hammer and DCD887 putting bugel screws into pine) and found them to go toe-to-toe. sometimes Dewalt won, Hitachi won probably a little more often. It wasn't super scientific (or like our proper comparisons).

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kornomaniac    466
4 hours ago, dwain said:

I've tested them against each other in a small way (triple hammer and DCD887 putting bugel screws into pine) and found them to go toe-to-toe. sometimes Dewalt won, Hitachi won probably a little more often. It wasn't super scientific (or like our proper comparisons).

The differences between most high end tools are so small that most of the time you'll hardly even notice it in real life :) they're all good tools !

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KnarlyCarl    5,001
On 8/26/2017 at 3:41 PM, kornomaniac said:

Linda exactly like flexvolt but then in 'normal' size battery with a Max of 36v.

 

Anyone have an idea of the flexvolt idea is patented in us/EU ?

This would be interesting to know more on

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D W    132

I very much doubt the tripple hammer is "best in class". There's just not enough evidence out there, only hype. One thing that shows, is that the Makita consistently finishes in the top 2, if not first place.

 

Here's the link to the ToolBoxBuzz comparison which Hitachi declined to enter (as mentioned by @kornomaniac already).

http://www.toolboxbuzz.com/cordless-tools/impact-driver/impact-driver-head-to-head/

 

Hitachi needs to earn best in class, not just claim it ;)

 

I want to see Makita TD170 VS Hitachi Triple Hammer, then we can settle it.

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dwain    790

Without having done a full comparison that includes it, I think it probably is best-in-class. BUT i haven't used the DTD170, only the DTD148, so who knows.

 

One thing is for sure, their previous IP56 model WAS best in class for several years. 

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