DR99 Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw_driveMan I would cost a small fortune to cover all the different drive types. It's a cool wikipedia read though about why some of them were invented. I will say I wish Square/Robertson was more common it's so much better than phillips screws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicholasShetley Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 95 percent of screws I have seen are Phillips. I wish torx were more common as well. The deck on our rental house was built with square screws (25+ years ago). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSionnach Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 I uaually use the robertsons. I've been thinking about trying out the Outlaw Unigrip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conductor562 Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 Yep, there are a ton of different drives. I've never seen a security bit set that covered close to everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric - TIA Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 That's a great find. Very cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conductor562 Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 A lot of electronics use triangular bits these days, but none of the security bit sets ever have them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 Seems like everything is better than Phillips. I hate using them, especially when I teach new people have to constantly remind them to put more force when driving. Sounds like these people are hammer drilling when driving screw's using Phillips tips. Only don't mind Phillips on low torque applications or while using a #3 bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicholasShetley Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 Once a Phillips cams out once it is done. May as well get a new screw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conductor562 Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 I'd love to see Robertson or Torx render Phillips obsolete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR99 Posted December 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 It's slowly happening I see more boxes of other screws now at Lowes and Home Depot. I really don't know why their isn't a bigger push to get rid of Phillips screws they suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicholasShetley Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 Torx and Allen headed screws are common on cars nowadays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSionnach Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 Originally Phillips were machine screws for soft metals such as aluminum, and were designed to cam out to avoid stripping. There are quite a few cruciform or cross drives phillips and frearson are the two most common and are usually just called phillips by most folks. One of the biggest problems with what some folks call a phillips deck /wood screw is that they are actually a frearson drive. If you use a phillips bit you are more likely to cam out the screw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric - TIA Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Originally Phillips were machine screws for soft metals such as aluminum, and were designed to cam out to avoid stripping. There are quite a few cruciform or cross drives phillips and frearson are the two most common and are usually just called phillips by most folks. One of the biggest problems with what some folks call a phillips deck /wood screw is that they are actually a frearson drive. If you use a phillips bit you are more likely to cam out the screw.I love learning about this stuff. Never knew that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSionnach Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 http://www.instructables.com/id/When-a-Phillips-is-not-a-Phillips/Another good article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regopit Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Thanks DR99, and RedSionnach for the information. Both articles are full of info. I know for myself I try to use square, torx, or hex drive when ever I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conductor562 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 If it hadn't been for Henry Ford we'd all be using Robertson's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR99 Posted December 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 If it wasn't for Henry Ford we would still be using trains and horses. Conductor might be ok with the trains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conductor562 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I could live with the trains, but horses would be a shitty way to get around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric - TIA Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I still think flat head is the wave of the future. JK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSionnach Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 As often as I cam out screws I should just stick with nails. I end up using a hammer more than a drill anyway. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackTran Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 The fact that there are so many standards reminds me of this: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicholasShetley Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Describes it perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR99 Posted December 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 XCD has some funny comics. The good thing is impact drivers help with cam out. You get the crazy people that like to use drills over impact drivers still for driving fasteners damm weirdos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicholasShetley Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I saw my first torx machine screw yesterday. It was in the transfer case for my grandpas 04 silverado. I have seen torx wood screws before but we haven't used any since we have a bunch of Phillips screws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSionnach Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Some of us weirdos haven't a choice but use an old corded drill. Gotta use what you have, until you can afford better. It was worth the $10 investment, even though she gave up the ghost last weekend. Using a drill without a variable speed was a pain to use as a driver, so I learned to put in pilots and hand drive screws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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