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You just cost Milwaukee some money. Or maybe I need two lol. We’ll see. Thanks!

The 692 imo is only decent. It’s one of several yellow tools that I only use infrequently, rather than being one of my daily drivers. Every other tool I use infrequently I keep because they’re fantastic when I need them. The 692 isn’t fantastic. It has trouble doing its job consistently and having 2 speeds is a misnomer because speed 1 is virtually useless for everything I’ve ever done with it. I contemplate selling the 692 on a regular basis.

4.0 would use the same cells as the upcoming 12.0 FlexVolt. We will likely see these stay for a while just like the XR6.0. I can’t wait to get my hands on these when they make their way North. 3.0 slimpacks will be incredibly convenient for so many tasks.

Powerstation 2.0 has been whispered about for a while lol I’ve been waiting for it. I’m not sure if the rumours actually just materialized into the ToughSystem compatible fast charger (with no power station capability).

6 is semantics, 7 is objectively false, and 10 really depends on your location but overall some agreeable points there lol.

Babysaw lol I’m going to start using that for 575 when I finally buy a 577.

Dewalt was the second brand I bought into. Years of seeing them on sites (18b Nicad) and only a modest 20v lineup had me thinking they were has-beens stuck in the past. If you go back a few years to my earliest posts here there is likely a lot of posts mocking Dewalt for their footdragging. When FlexVolt was announced and they released more brushless 20v Max they gave me whiplash. I sold a handful of my Fuel tools and then picked and chose what was best from red and yellow. Dewalt makes up about 50% of my power tool collection now. FlexVolt mitre saw and table saw were what convinced me I needed Dewalt, and the FlexVolt grinder and circ saw were my first replacements for the Milwaukee equivalents I sold. I’ve been extremely happy with the build quality on Dewalt, and you can get batteries for a reasonable price. I feel like Milwaukee makes higher quality batteries but you pay a premium for them. I like that Dewalt listens to feedback; new batches of FlexVolt circ saws have rafter hooks, newer Dewalt tools have rubber nubs on the battery mounts like Makita tools so you don’t wear out the contacts so fast. The battery release mechanism feels cheaper to me than Makita or Milwaukee though.

Milwaukee was the first brand I bought into because Fuel was so dominant compared to what others offered. Now it represents probably 40% of what I have for tools between M12 and M18. It’s mostly good stuff but you have to pay attention and not buy into the hype of the impressive Milwaukee marketing machine. After thinking about this more posting in your Dewalt thread I thought I’d expand on this more: I initially found Milwaukee’s rapid pace of bringing things to market extremely appealing. Their system was growing as my tool collection and needs were. They were putting out tons of cool stuff. It wasn’t until their 10” slide mitre was a dud and the Gen 1 blower got replaced in a year that I really saw the cracks in “disruptive innovation”. Now I stick to what they’re good at; hackzall/Sawzall, a bunch of automotive goodies like ratchets and impact wrenches, lights, a fuel hammer drill (love that thing for its power:size ratio; I have some big Dewalts for real punishing work but I’d certainly get the new 2804 for a daily driver that has beast power in a compact form). I also like their oddball tools; stapler, inflater, etc. The Fuel cutout tool and drywall gun are awesome, I bought them and much prefer them to the 20v Max versions we use at work. The rubber overmold on their batteries is a great feature. No one does 12v better than red. When you look at other classes of tools; OPE I’d say Makita has them beat. Most saws Dewalt has them beat. Grinders are something everyone does well these days. I think for automotive/shop stuff Milwaukee is the clear winner. HVAC/ plumbing/ electrical Milwaukee is the clear winner (though others are encroaching on their territory). Their recent push at NPS into more saws looks promising; 7.25 circ saw looks like it has gobs of power if you want to stay with blade left. Table saw is a great value compared to my FlexVolt version; preorder kit gets you 2x 12.0 compared to the 1x6.0 flex kit, while the saw has two mitre slots, accepts a dado stack and can be locked out. I’ve wondered how much I could sell my saw for but I might wait to see if yellow makes a 10” 120v Max. Chainsaw looks like an improvement to the FlexVolt just based on the fact that it has metal bucking spikes. The flex also likes to go through bar oil at a ridiculous pace from what I’ve seen. If you make sure you’re getting a deal with free bare tool or bonus battery Milwaukee is great value. Even their little 7.25 mitre has piqued my interest. I was cold on red for quite some time but I’m coming back around for sure. Bonus info; when I first looked into drills before I had any clue about good power tools the first video, and deciding video, between “do I want Makita or Milwaukee?” was a video Eric and Dan did with the Fuel 2604 vs a Makita and the Makita getting smoked lol.

E-peen measuring contests. As is, my 996 and 460 Dewalts have bottomless grunt for any task I encounter and the current Fuel has so much go-go juice I’ve never really needed low speed on it. Even reasonable size hole saws fly in high speed on that monster.

Daaaaaang I love when they have a big blitz of cool stuff. They totally destroyed NPS the year they revealed FlexVolt. And got a pile of money out of me for it. I like to see the future projections of a system rather than bits and pieces and crossing my fingers. Makita baaaarely got money out of me and they had to wait 5 years longer for it than red and yellow did because I wasn’t hyped enough lol.

I hope you’re right lol. My impatience doesn’t want to wait the extra 60 days.

I asked on IG about timing of a Dewalt event this year and was told August.

Our shop I’ve seen piles of shattered bits. Tons of steel framing and it happens all the time. I swear by Bosch bits. Been equally disappointed by Milwaukee and Dewalt bits. Makita Gold is decent. Bosch’s modular bit cases are great.

The 2720 and 2730 are old enough to be going to start elementary school. The 2731 is a year behind it, ready to start kindergarten. They were considered old by last year’s standards lol. I get where you’re coming from. The past two years from Dewalt have been explosive, and I wouldn’t have dreamed of spending a dime on yellow tools prior to that. The past two years have seen red fall out of favour (outside of M12) in my eyes. This year’s NPS might see me crunching some numbers to see how much I can recoup on my hackzall and Sawzall to upgrade to M18 hackzall and super Sawzall. Manufacturers have peaks and valleys. The red table saw deals w 2 12.0s has me briefly consider swapping my yellow one out but realistically that’s financially irresponsible when I have a pile of yellow 9.0s and a perfectly good saw that’s practically identical. The hackzall and super Sawzall I can make more of a case for personally. The stubby impacts on the other hand...want want want. Dewalt needs more than refreshed 12v Max to get money from me; I’m too far into M12 for that.

You can get the same power out of 20v Max as 60v Max if you build it right, and 20v Max casts a wider net with the homeowner demographic.

My lawn is 1/40th of an acre so I think a pair of FlexVolt 3.0/9.0s hits the spot lol.

And the Dewalt mower is rated for 1/4 acre or so off the 2 5.0s it comes with, so about 1000 sq m.

I find this quite interesting. That motor looks like it’s big enough to cost a tiny bit of cut depth. Easy to stall isn’t a good look lol, I can only stall my 575 if I’m cutting like an idiot letting the blade get pinched badly. Umm...what?

Yet this was a huge complaint people had of FlexVolt. “Bu-bu-bu-but my old batteries wont work on my new toooools” as if you’d want to run a table saw or 12” mitre off ten cells anyway. The difference between systems for a daily user comes down to semantics and marketing spin.

They are upgrading to what other companies are already upgrading to, so no, without x2 they won’t keep up with Makita X2 or 120v Max FlexVolt. I’m sure they’ll keep up with FlexVolt 60v Max and regular Makita stuff just fine though. Notice that they seem to be keeping the 18650 packs around for the time being like everyone else.

Preorder prices are up in various places. I’ll be waiting for some bonus battery/free tool type promos. Getting way too rich for my blood to justify upgrading.

The M12 Stubby line blows my mind. So much power out of such small tools that it has me wondering what the catch is lol.

Looks like the Rohm I put on my 2704 to replace the POS it comes with. If true, it’s a great chuck.

New circ saw allegedly more powerful than the 575, but can’t say if they ran a 6.0 or a 9.0 FlexVolt pack on it. 12.0 will have something to say as well. Somewhat affordable hybrid Rocket light and new Fuel backpack vac, D handle and barrel grip jig saws have me pretty excited!

Gen 3 impact is .05” smaller than Makita lol. Table saw looks like a red copy/paste of FlexVolt; same blade size, same fence (good decision on rack and pinion). 9” grinder looks wild, and a 1” impact wrench lol. Pretty impressed so far with what I’ve seen.