Bremon Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Hmm. Well if it's the noticeably more premium product then it might be worth it then. Still seems like an awkward unit and I'm surprised there isn't noticeably more power to it. Oh, and for Hugh, I just watched a video on the FlexVolt recip that states it has a low vibration crank case lol. The 20v Max version product page's only mention of comfort is the rubber overmold lol so maybe it really has been improved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makita_2233 Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 17 minutes ago, Bremon said: Hmm. Well if it's the noticeably more premium product then it might be worth it then. Still seems like an awkward unit and I'm surprised there isn't noticeably more power to it. Oh, and for Hugh, I just watched a video on the FlexVolt recip that states it has a low vibration crank case lol. The 20v Max version product page's only mention of comfort is the rubber overmold lol so maybe it really has been improved. I like the feel of the 36v better. It's around 7.5mm wider each side compared to the 18v 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makita_2233 Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Credit to Kruger construction over on Instagram. Looks like makita 36v smashed them all in a battery over heat test. Longest run time before the over heat protection kicked. The photo tells the story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnarlyCarl Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 2 hours ago, Makita_2233 said: Credit to Kruger construction over on Instagram. Looks like makita 36v smashed them all in a battery over heat test. Longest run time before the over heat protection kicked. The photo tells the story Meh, being three years behind the fuel sawzall took them long enough lol!!!... Plus I need real world tests .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremon Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 If the Makita didn't smash that test it would be an embarrassment. It's drawing power from 33% more cells, not to mention denser cells, than the FlexVolt, and twice the cells the Fuel is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makita_2233 Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 10 hours ago, KnarlyCarl said: Meh, being three years behind the fuel sawzall took them long enough lol!!!... Plus I need real world tests .... Meh, fuel made in China, makita 36v Japan. Makita have got a hell of lot more tools that smash milwaukee. 3/4 impact, BL hammer drill, dt170 just to name a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremon Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 The BL hammer drill? Doubt it. You forgot to mention the coffee maker, none of my red gear makes a cup of joe quite like a makita... Is it Japanese or just Chinese? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielicrazy Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 they really should have included the 18v brushless in that test. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makita_2233 Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Yes the makita BL. I was drilling 13mm holes in to 6mm plate all day next to my mate using a milwaukee fuel and me using makita BL. Which drill ran fine all day ? Makita Which batteries keep over heating ? Milwaukee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makita_2233 Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 9 hours ago, danielicrazy said: they really should have included the 18v brushless in that test. I reckon the 18v would still out do the another 2 on over heating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kornomaniac Posted August 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 11 hours ago, Bremon said: The BL hammer drill? Doubt it. The Makita BL dhp481 does out perform the fuel gen 2 I think every decent online comparison review showed that. Not the biggest margin mind you. But still, the Makita wins for bragging rights. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makita_2233 Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 16 minutes ago, kornomaniac said: The Makita BL dhp481 does out perform the fuel gen 2 I think every decent online comparison review showed that. Not the biggest margin mind you. But still, the Makita wins for bragging rights. ? Same goes for 3/4 fuel and fuel grinder, I've had battery over heating problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremon Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Why 3/4" impact and not 1/2"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnarlyCarl Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 15 hours ago, Makita_2233 said: Meh, fuel made in China, makita 36v Japan. Makita have got a hell of lot more tools that smash milwaukee. 3/4 impact, BL hammer drill, dt170 just to name a few. Feel better? I say these things in jest, if you hadn't noticed. Everybody makes Tools in China, even Makita. I know I could not go with DeWalt because any existing batteries I would have for the previous 20 volt line would now no longer work with their new 60 volt reciprocating saw. Makita would be a no-brainer if I had their battery platform already. But I can't wait around for them to come out with a comprable reciprocating saw especially since it vibrates more than the other two saws. I think bremon said it before, we are better off than we have ever been before so any brand you go with Will suit you very well 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makita_2233 Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 10 hours ago, Bremon said: 9 hours ago, KnarlyCarl said: Feel better? I say these things in jest, if you hadn't noticed. Everybody makes Tools in China, even Makita. I know I could not go with DeWalt because any existing batteries I would have for the previous 20 volt line would now no longer work with their new 60 volt reciprocating saw. Makita would be a no-brainer if I had their battery platform already. But I can't wait around for them to come out with a comprable reciprocating saw especially since it vibrates more than the other two saws. I think bremon said it before, we are better off than we have ever been before so any brand you go with Will suit you very well Makita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makita_2233 Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 I agree with you. Im aware that most tool are made in China. I was just point out the makita 36v is made in Japan. I've found the vibrations aren't that bad and many factors affect the vibrations, blade type, brand, material being cut, shoe adjustment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makita_2233 Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 10 hours ago, Bremon said: Why 3/4" impact and not 1/2"? I didn't have the fuel high torque 1/2. I was using makita BL 3/4 and fuel 3/4 on a job a few months ago. I was replacing M30 structural bolts on a steel truss to column connection. I was pushing both really hard, some bolts would need like a minute of reverse impacting, some needed to be cut off with the oxy. Over the space of 20 hours, with on and off uses thought out the day, milwaukee batteries over heated a number of times. Makita only once. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnarlyCarl Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 2 hours ago, Makita_2233 said: I agree with you. Im aware that most tool are made in China. I was just point out the makita 36v is made in Japan. I've found the vibrations aren't that bad and many factors affect the vibrations, blade type, brand, material being cut, shoe adjustment. At this point I'd only be interested in the blade release mechanism (on the Makitas), that might be the only thing I could nitpick about the Fuel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremon Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 3 hours ago, Makita_2233 said: I didn't have the fuel high torque 1/2. I was using makita BL 3/4 and fuel 3/4 on a job a few months ago. I was replacing M30 structural bolts on a steel truss to column connection. I was pushing both really hard, some bolts would need like a minute of reverse impacting, some needed to be cut off with the oxy. Over the space of 20 hours, with on and off uses thought out the day, milwaukee batteries over heated a number of times. Makita only once. Good to know, the 1/2" are probably a similar story. Seems like Milwaukee batteries are more sensitive and liable to shut themselves down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makita_2233 Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Bremon said: Good to know, the 1/2" are probably a similar story. Seems like Milwaukee batteries are more sensitive and liable to shut themselves down. I agree with 1/2 similar. I found the same thing will milwaukee fuel grinder, battery would over heat and Makita didn't when doing the same task Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR99 Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 You guys do realize your Makita batteries were probably just as hot as the Milwaukee and you were just burning the cells up shortening their lives. Also 3.0 LTX batteries were notorious for early failures even brand new packs due to bad cell monitoring. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffmcmillan Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 I've never had M18 thermal overload even discharging a 5.0 in under ten minutes, but the Makita batteries do thermal shutdown occasionally if I'm not paying attention. That might have more to do with my abuse of angle grinders though . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremon Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 I've also never had thermal shutdown on an M18 battery, and I've killed them in less than 15 minutes with my sawzall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makita_2233 Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 1 hour ago, DR99 said: You guys do realize your Makita batteries were probably just as hot as the Milwaukee and you were just burning the cells up shortening their lives. Also 3.0 LTX batteries were notorious for early failures even brand new packs due to bad cell monitoring. Yes Ive thought that my self. Milwaukee are a sealed battery unit and Makita have drain holes and vents. Maybe they magane heat better ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR99 Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 I'm sure the vents help with the fan and the fast charging, but that is a lot of thermal mass to cool with no air flow through the pack when its on the tool. Dewalt had an aluminum heat sink on early 2.0ah packs but didn't continue using it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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