Surfer (aka Nalu) Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Congrats to DeWalt for continuing to progress. It's great that companies are not being stagnant. Utilizing the technology of today will only better the industry as a whole and I'm glad to see this happening, especially with Milwaukee and DeWalt. It seems to me like the motto of tools companies lately have been "cut the cord". I have been thinking about this for a while now and I've gone back and forth about the whole thing. I love my Milwaukee Fuel line of tools, they allow me to cut the cord, but it comes at a price. A high sticker price. Often times costing twice the amount for a comparable corded tool. And not to mention the added cost of batteries. Another point worth mentioning is that these new cordless tools are also not time tested. Sure, the tools themselves may last for a while, but how long will companies continue to produce the same batteries?. I still own a bunch of corded tools that are well over 25 years old, and some even older that have been passed down from my Dad. I really don't think I will be passing down my Milwaukee Fuel line of tools because they will be so outdated. For myself, for the way I work, for my own needs, I think there will always be a blend of corded and cordless tools. I don't see a great enough benefit for going cordless with a large miter saw or table saw, especially because of the price tag. I would much rather get a really great corded miter saw and table saw that will last me for a generation or two. Where cordless fits the bill with me is Convenience and Portability. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboS1ice Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Congrats to DeWalt for continuing to progress. It's great that companies are not being stagnant. Utilizing the technology of today will only better the industry as a whole and I'm glad to see this happening, especially with Milwaukee and DeWalt. It seems to me like the motto of tools companies lately have been "cut the cord". I have been thinking about this for a while now and I've gone back and forth about the whole thing. I love my Milwaukee Fuel line of tools, they allow me to cut the cord, but it comes at a price. A high sticker price. Often times costing twice the amount for a comparable corded tool. And not to mention the added cost of batteries. Another point worth mentioning is that these new cordless tools are also not time tested. Sure, the tools themselves may last for a while, but how long will companies continue to produce the same batteries?. I still own a bunch of corded tools that are well over 25 years old, and some even older that have been passed down from my Dad. I really don't think I will be passing down my Milwaukee Fuel line of tools because they will be so outdated. For myself, for the way I work, for my own needs, I think there will always be a blend of corded and cordless tools. I don't see a great enough benefit for going cordless with a large miter saw or table saw, especially because of the price tag. I would much rather get a really great corded miter saw and table saw that will last me for a generation or two. Where cordless fits the bill with me is Convenience and Portability. Well said nalu was talking to a few guys in here in chat that I'd rather by a high end corded saw than flip the bill for the cordless Jimbo Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR99 Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 43 minutes ago, midogrumpy said: please note: don´t be confused 60V max is 54Volt max in Europe they are IDENTICAL, just a marketing scheme Published in Europe today: the Alligator saw DCS397 to add in one more SDS Hammerdrill http://futurejobsite.dewalt.co.uk/products/sds-plus-hammer-drill PLEASE note: they also speak of the 9,0ah battery pack ! shown in picture !!! I wish they would sell the alligator saw here in the states it looks like a handy little tool to have!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 That SDS looks nice, but I wish they'd do a 120v version with a much higher impact energy down the road. Still a great deal more powerful (3.5J) than my bulldog (2.4J) which is my primary hammer drill. Might be one of my first 60v tools. Bad boy looks the buisness. I also would like a subforum for Flexvolt, there are many different threads and conversations to be had that need to be topic specific. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisR Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 It will be interesting to see how the XR Flexvolt 54v (as it is known this side of the pond) will compete with the new Milwaukee OPE. I suspect that Milwaukee will come out on top. Why? 9ah battery Vs 2ah. Even when you factor in the higher voltage I suspect that the DeWalt will lag on run time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnarlyCarl Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 and here I don´t want to talk about batteries with more than 100wh that are categorized as CLASS 9 Hazordous goods requires specialist dangerous goods shipping = expensive any why Dewalt flexvolt DOES NOT have to be categorized like this posts and more info like this will get lost in a single thread ! I want an individual forum/topic category cheers mike Start your own and fill us in with the details Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 16 minutes ago, ChrisR said: It will be interesting to see how the XR Flexvolt 54v (as it is known this side of the pond) will compete with the new Milwaukee OPE. I suspect that Milwaukee will come out on top. Why? 9ah battery Vs 2ah. Even when you factor in the higher voltage I suspect that the DeWalt will lag on run time. Well of course it will run longer. Hook up the 9ah to a 60v tool and it won't last as long as it would in an 18v tool either. Dewalt will catch up soon for those that need that kind of runtime, personally for as long as it takes to charge a battery that size (read that it takes about 2 hours to charge the 9ah Milwaukee, yeesh), I'd rather have two half as demanding to add flexibility to the system. 9ah is literally too much IMO. A case could be made for the SCMS, Table Saw, Grinder, and the SDS hammer drill, but again, I'd rather half two half's than a whole myself. By the time you furnish enough batteries at that amperage to overcome the charge times and lack of ability to operate 2 separate tools at once when needed, I could buy a house in St. Croix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy MSG Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 1 hour ago, DR99 said: I wish they would sell the alligator saw here in the states it looks like a handy little tool to have!! Go on Ebay , I am sure you can find it. I am sure some of the European members of the forum would love some of the US products and would be willing to work out a trade for something the US gets but Europe doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tools & Stuff Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Just watched the vids, awesome! Might have to change colours again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tools & Stuff Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Can't wait for some review videos! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcv76 Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 6 hours ago, regopit said: I just watched the video from this morning and all I can see is over hyped and over priced. I don't know the prices on everything but the 12" sliding miter saw is supposedly going to be $799 with 2 batteries and the cord adapter. That actually seems like a fair price to get a hybrid dws780. I mean I can go into the forest and build a log cabin off the grid, Im sure I'll never do that but now I have the option. haha 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 How come outside of leaked information in this thread there's basically no press information or data on the area light? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtorres092382 Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 As amped as I am about the 60V line and that I believe in team yellow's innovation I'm probably more curious about new 20V tools. Super amped about the caulk gun but I'd love to see if they jumped into the cordless sander game. Also Dewalt could I please have a 20V trim router pretty please? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnarlyCarl Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 How come outside of leaked information in this thread there's basically no press information or data on the area light? A little here: ... Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcv76 Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 6 hours ago, midogrumpy said: and here I don´t want to talk about batteries with more than 100wh that are categorized as CLASS 9 Hazordous goods requires specialist dangerous goods shipping = expensive any why Dewalt flexvolt DOES NOT have to be categorized like this posts and more info like this will get lost in a single thread ! I want an individual forum/topic category cheers mike Watching tools in action on periscope, I believe one of their reps was discussing this. I believe there was some sort of plastic cap that went onto the top of the battery that somehow allowed it to not have to be held under that regulation. I only half paid attention because It didn't seem important to myself, but now that you asked it vaguely rings a bell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 I saw a similar but different picture along the same lines, but I'd like some details about how they stack, how they function, hands on...I mean I know most people aren't super excited about that one as much but on sale I'm certainly going to pick it up eventually I think. I've been looking at the Wobble Light as well, a little cheaper, WAY brighter (like 6X as bright), but not cordless or charging capable. Don't think the Wobble is adjustable brightness either. Another bonus for the Dewalt is it might be LED so no heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcv76 Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Did anyone else see them take the 4 battery power unit and run a blender? That is going to be a pretty sweet camping accessory. Real coffee in the morning, blended drinks, ect. seeing how it is also a charger I wonder if you could rig a solar panel setup to keep it topped off? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kentcatlett Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 All the hype for this. Another battery platform? What about the 40v OPE stuff that just came out last year, is that going away? Should I return my oil leaking, battery killing,no power having chainsaw I just bought? Yes I was doing that anyway. So I guess we are not getting a good 20v brushless recip saw, which is what I was hoping for more then anything else. Oh well. The area light and the threaded rod cutter does look interesting. The press tool is a definate for me. But all and all kind of a let down, I see the 60v stuff going the way of the 36 volt stuff especially if the price is too high. I also wasn't impressed with the milwaukee show either, I mean how many lights do you need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kentcatlett Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Yeah I know crying like a little baby. I'll have to wait and see how they are 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Exactly, sit on it for a little bit and see how you feel. In the meantime take back your defective tool. They're not done making 20v tools. Because they make a 60v tool doesn't mean 20v is screwed. There's a lot of momentum for 20v, right now there's none for 60v. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcv76 Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Just now, kentcatlett said: Yeah I know crying like a little baby. I'll have to wait and see how they are haha just messing with you man. Your right about wanting some more brushless 20v like the reciprocating saw. They might come out later. Those wouldn't be as groundbreaking and might just be a silent release. I plan to just keep my 20v compact recipe saw and get the 60v for when real power is needed. No tool company wants to lose money so I think they made the 40v and a engineer said " I have a better idea" and the 60v was born. It seems to me to be the best of both worlds but we will see when the actual hands on reviews come. No tool brand will be perfect and you just have to go with the one that has as many of the tools that you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmikez Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 From what I was able to catch today everything was pretty badass to me I mean I understand some of the rants and concerns I've read but all in all I really don't see nothing that pushes me to feel worried in a bad way I just can't wait till one of the crew and Dan and Eric get there hands on them for a review. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeInCtown Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 15 hours ago, Surfer said: Congrats to DeWalt for continuing to progress. It's great that companies are not being stagnant. Utilizing the technology of today will only better the industry as a whole and I'm glad to see this happening, especially with Milwaukee and DeWalt. It seems to me like the motto of tools companies lately have been "cut the cord". I have been thinking about this for a while now and I've gone back and forth about the whole thing. I love my Milwaukee Fuel line of tools, they allow me to cut the cord, but it comes at a price. A high sticker price. Often times costing twice the amount for a comparable corded tool. And not to mention the added cost of batteries. Another point worth mentioning is that these new cordless tools are also not time tested. Sure, the tools themselves may last for a while, but how long will companies continue to produce the same batteries?. I still own a bunch of corded tools that are well over 25 years old, and some even older that have been passed down from my Dad. I really don't think I will be passing down my Milwaukee Fuel line of tools because they will be so outdated. For myself, for the way I work, for my own needs, I think there will always be a blend of corded and cordless tools. I don't see a great enough benefit for going cordless with a large miter saw or table saw, especially because of the price tag. I would much rather get a really great corded miter saw and table saw that will last me for a generation or two. Where cordless fits the bill with me is Convenience and Portability. First, those corded tools that were passed down cost a bunch of money back in the day. You might sit there and think well he paid $100 for it and now they are $200, but you don't realize that the $100 back then might be worth $350 today. As far as today's cost, you need to weight the benefits. A compact impact driver to me is well worth the $200 price tag if I can program it like I can, and I can crawl under a car withouta cord, or change a tire on the side of the road with it, or grab the tool and go from location to location without coiling up a cord every 5 minutes. Time is money. The last three times I've used my compact impact at work I would guess I saved myself well over an hour in labor just by not needing to constantly move or coil an extension cord. That time saved already paid for any extra cost of the impact, and that is only a month into ownership. Those old tools are also far heavier than the ones on the market today, which means you may fatigue faster and get less work done. They are also corded so you need to have electric available where you are working. so that means extra time spent running cords, the cost of a temporary panel, or cost of a portable generator. You also look more professional if you aren't asking your client where you can plug in your stuff. As far as batteries, DeWalt is still selling their old 18V packs that they used in the drills 20 years back. Hell i still got one! never use it though because it is so slow and underpowered compared to today's models. Still, even if they stopped producing the batteries, you can still buy the Sub C cells and repair them yourself. I do see your point though in having some corded tools. High draw high use tools are better off being corded. For the majority of a lot of people though, both professional and homeowner, cordless is a far better choice for most needs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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